Lower credit score may mean a good hire

By Linda Carroll

Employers who use credit scores in their hiring decisions  might be weeding out some of the best applicants, a new study suggests. 

Researchers found no connection between poor  credit scores and the likelihood that an employee would steal or call in sick.  But they did find a correlation between lower credit scores and a more agreeable personality, according to the study which was published in the Journal of Applied Psychology.

Why should employers care about agreeableness?

“More and more companies have team-based structures,” said study’s lead author, Jeremy Bernerth, an assistant professor at Louisiana State University’s E.J.  Ourso College of Business.  “And in a team-based environment, this is a necessary component for any team member.”

Some 60 percent of companies now use credit scores when they make hiring decisions, but nobody really knows what these scores tell us about potential employees, the researchers pointed out.

“Practitioners say it’s a measure of all kinds of things — integrity, personality, intelligence — and we wanted to figure out what it really represents, if anything,” Bernerth said.

So he and his colleagues rounded up 142 volunteers who were willing to take a personality test, supply a credit score, and allow the researchers to question supervisors about  job performance. 

As it turns out, people with poor credit scores were no more likely to steal or display any other type of deviant work behaviors, Bernerth said. They were, however, more likely to have easy going personalities.

The bottom line, Bernerth said, is that employers are using a score that may indicate nothing — or something completely different from what they expect.

“You have to be a little cautious using credit scores,” Bernerth said. “You have to be aware that there are lots of things that adversely impact them.”

Employers also need to understand that  minorities tend to score lower than others, said Madeline Neighly, a staff attorney with the National Employment Law Project.

Beyond that, many people these days who were prompt with payments for years now have bad credit because of the tough economy. They’re in a “Catch-22,” Neighly said.

“You lose your job and your credit tanks,” she explained. “And then you can’t find a job because your credit is bad.”

Employer’s use of credit scores can be especially bad news for the young.

“A recent college graduate might have done everything right, worked his tail off, paid for everything in cash, not used credit cards or taken out any loans, and his score will be adversely impacted, because there isn’t much credit history,” Bernerth said.

Should employers use credit scores in the hiring process?

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It depends on the job

If the job includes working with money, funding, or an other financial responsibilities, yes. Otherwise disregard the credit score.

  • 11 votes
 - jlt0x
 - 10:16 am EST on Thu Nov 10, 2011
It depends on the job

If you're working with money/merchandise, then yes. Other than that, it makes no sense.

  • 6 votes
 - 11:51 am EST on Thu Nov 10, 2011
No

Credit scores have little or nothing to do with a person's integrity or work ethic...especially in this economy.

  • 21 votes
 - 11:52 am EST on Thu Nov 10, 2011
No

Pulling credit history is discriminating, but employers get away with it because people need work.

  • 20 votes
 - 12:36 pm EST on Thu Nov 10, 2011
No

If you can't figure a person from the interview don't expect the number to do the job for you. Are you hiring a number or a person?

  • 20 votes
 - Yus
 - 1:01 pm EST on Thu Nov 10, 2011
No

People who don't borrow or don't have debt (hence low score) will not be hired.

  • 9 votes
 - 1:46 pm EST on Thu Nov 10, 2011
No

Credit is a game played by banks. It has almost nothing to do with a person's charactor.

  • 25 votes
 - Benet
 - 2:44 pm EST on Thu Nov 10, 2011
It depends on the job

I could see it in certain jobs,but I believe it is being abused.

  • 4 votes
 - 3:17 pm EST on Thu Nov 10, 2011
It depends on the job

Maybe those w/ higher scores are more driven & better prepared financially for job loss? Drive & foresight are important to employers too!

  • 2 votes
 - 4:28 pm EST on Thu Nov 10, 2011
No

It is discriminatory, just like what 's happened to the elderly, handicaped people, women, and minorities.

  • 15 votes
 - 5:31 pm EST on Thu Nov 10, 2011
No

Only an idiot would consider credit scores in the hiring process. But then I've never worked for a company that wasn't run by idiots.

  • 23 votes
 - 5:49 pm EST on Thu Nov 10, 2011
No

Credit scores don't give a whole picture of who someone is or what has happened to them in life. It is a poor indicator of future behavior.

  • 18 votes
 - 5:54 pm EST on Thu Nov 10, 2011
No

It's already illegal in several states. Time to move?

  • 15 votes
 - 5:54 pm EST on Thu Nov 10, 2011
No

Your credit score should only be used if you are applying for credit - not a job. Duh!

  • 21 votes
 - 5:56 pm EST on Thu Nov 10, 2011
No

Tell that to Best Buy! I stood a better chance working for Geek Squad before going to collage and ruining my credit.

  • 11 votes
 - 5:57 pm EST on Thu Nov 10, 2011
No

Judging someone by their credit score is the same as judging them by their height--totally useless, even in basketball.

  • 17 votes
 - 5:57 pm EST on Thu Nov 10, 2011
No

No, PERIOD.

  • 8 votes
 - 5:58 pm EST on Thu Nov 10, 2011
No

My credit stinks, but Ive worked at the same company for 12 years and have been a loyal and dedicated employee. Credit does not =good worke

  • 15 votes
 - 6:00 pm EST on Thu Nov 10, 2011
No

my credit is good now, but when I started with my company 18 yrs ago, I was a single parent, worked two jobs and it was bad!

  • 9 votes
 - 6:21 pm EST on Thu Nov 10, 2011
No

I believe it's a huge invasion of privacy. It should be illegal. I don't need to explain my real estate problems etc to a POTENTIAL employe

  • 12 votes
 - 6:22 pm EST on Thu Nov 10, 2011
No

A bad credit score does not indicate what type of employee you may hire.

  • 4 votes
 - OUwhine
 - 6:24 pm EST on Thu Nov 10, 2011
No

Many people have low credit scores for lots of reasons. Most people would much rather work than live off someone else, much less steal.

  • 5 votes
 - JayEm
 - 6:26 pm EST on Thu Nov 10, 2011
No

Overall, credit scores indicate a PAST history, not an expectation of future performance. Believe them to be more of a 'screening' process

  • 2 votes
 - 6:27 pm EST on Thu Nov 10, 2011
No

It's a disgusting hiring practice that pigeon holes everybody involved.

  • 8 votes
 - 6:28 pm EST on Thu Nov 10, 2011
No

Too many non-controllable factors contribute to a low score. Child medical expenses, etc. These don't affect work ability.

  • 6 votes
 - 6:30 pm EST on Thu Nov 10, 2011

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What about denial of housing based on credit scores?? I have been denied rental options in 8/8 tries, even though I am a Combat Veteran, and would be subsidized by HUD.

What say you to THAT?! In 2 months I will be homeless because my rent will be more than my Social Security, almost....

  • 8 votes
Reply#1 - Thu Nov 10, 2011 8:42 AM EST

Rental managers look at more than your credit score. Depending on the location, rental offices prefer not to rent to people using any govt subsidies regardless if you're a military Vet. Rental offices are not govt organizations and don't have to give any preferences/advantages to active/retired/Vet members of the military. It is sad that rental rates are becoming too expensive and that your SS payments aren't enough.

I know I sound heartless, but that's what they do, but don't outright disclose during the application process. Rental properties prefer to have single tenants with high-paying jobs and no children. They don't like fixed incomes, children, and part-time/no jobs.

  • 1 vote
#1.1 - Thu Nov 10, 2011 10:26 AM EST

maybe you should get a job. i'm a disabled combat vet and i'm doing just fine, so whats your problem. just because you're a "combat vet" doesn't get you special treatment. sounds like you just don't pay your bills.

  • 2 votes
#1.2 - Thu Nov 10, 2011 12:36 PM EST

Typical right wing mentality, "I'm doing fine, so there must be something wrong with the other guy." Complete lack of empathy. Ayn Rand would be so proud.

  • 9 votes
#1.3 - Thu Nov 10, 2011 6:53 PM EST

Brad your post was right on, "jltox" may not be able to work due to a physical or mental condition such as PTSD. It should against the law to deny a vet access to a place to live at a reasonable cost.

  • 1 vote
#1.4 - Thu Nov 10, 2011 7:15 PM EST

As far as I am concerned, any combat veteran of the US military is owed by all of us, especially if disabled. They should not have to pay income taxes up to 5 million in income and they should be exempt from many petty laws, i.e. parking, etc. They are giants among us and with an attitude like Frankl, I seriously doubt you are a disabled combat veteran. Every member of congress and their families should starve to death before one US combat service member should go hungry. P&^%$ses me off

  • 1 vote
#1.5 - Thu Nov 10, 2011 8:12 PM EST

I'm a veteran (non-combat) who is going to be homeless in two weeks. Despite tailoring and sending out thousands of resumes, and filling out online applications and in-store/in-business applications, I could not find a job good enough that would allow me to pay rent any more--the temp work that I've done for the past four years, at four different locations, simply doesn't provide enough income. Failure to pay rent and getting kicked out would threaten my excellent renter's credit (I've been renting for sixteen years now). So I thought it best to withdraw from the renting game and turned in my 30-day notice on November 1st.

As it was, despite having steady employment at the time and solid credit, I BARELY made enough to be considered as a resident in my current building, even though I'd sublet here for five years prior, was never a problem with other residents or authorities, and we never missed or turned in a late rent payment. Basically, I had to lie about my income level to get my own appartment... and in the two years that I've had my own place, I never missed a payment and was never late with rent even ONCE.

Even those with jobs, good credit and no criminal record won't be "granted" a place in respectable society. I don't rely on any Social Security, welfare, HUD, food stamps, etc. so life is doubly hard in that respect. Sometimes I even feel like I'm being punished for NOT having signed up for such programs!

  • 2 votes
#1.6 - Thu Nov 10, 2011 9:02 PM EST

I feel for you StandUp! This is such a travesty the way our economy has gone to pot under (you know who) and his minions. Even worse... the so-called hope and change leader has lied six ways from sunday since he was campaigning... oops... still!

Hang in there and keep your head up high... no apologies necessary!

TCG

  • 1 vote
#1.7 - Thu Nov 10, 2011 10:37 PM EST

All one needs in order to determine if this is right or not is ask a simple question: Will hiring managers be willing to open up their credit scores and share them with potential employees? Don't think so...

When that happens...then we'll talk...

  • 2 votes
#1.8 - Fri Nov 11, 2011 5:45 AM EST

Canservative...

Do you have a memory problem? I'm concerned about you...it seems that you've completely forgotten the years 2000 through 2008...and the state of the economy before 2000 and the direction of the economy from 2000 through 2008...have you banged your head recently?

  • 3 votes
#1.9 - Fri Nov 11, 2011 5:52 AM EST
Reply

I have no doubt that I was turned down for several positions based on credit score and not skills or education. It is a practice that is both demeaning & defeating. I have rebuilt my credit and paid back everything I owed on a Chapter 13. It was discharged 4 years ago but while it was still on my credit, I was unable to find work for 9 mos. Thankfully, I found a decent position with possibility of advancement. It is a tough economy and basic employee viability is a practice that should end immediately. It has no bearing on the character of a person or their ability to perform in the workplace. To think otherwise is both arrogant and self righteous!

  • 12 votes
Reply#2 - Thu Nov 10, 2011 8:50 AM EST

It is also illegal to not hire someone due to a bankruptcy.

    #2.1 - Thu Nov 10, 2011 7:53 PM EST

    What? You think that stops a business from hiring who they want... the laws?

    • 2 votes
    #2.2 - Thu Nov 10, 2011 9:07 PM EST

    The funny thing is, there is value in using credit scores to determine whether you will make a good employee. But employers should be looking for people with lower scores, it's an inverse relationship, according to this study. The lower the score, the easier it is to work with you and you are a nicer guy.

    In fact, you probably also make a better neighbor, so rental communities should be looking for people for lower scores if they want friendlier people. At least, this is what the study says.

      #2.3 - Fri Nov 11, 2011 10:29 AM EST
      Reply

      Welcome to the wacky world of humanity.

      • 5 votes
      Reply#3 - Thu Nov 10, 2011 9:05 AM EST

      Wow, I didn't even know employers were looking at credit scores. That just sounds absurd to me. You can't determine the value of an individual by their credit score. Sometimes I think this world has gone completely mad.

      • 13 votes
      Reply#4 - Thu Nov 10, 2011 9:10 AM EST

      Employers may not subscribe to a service that provides them with a true "credit score" (known as a FICO). Although if the HR Manager is familiar with how to read a credit report upon reviewing a credit report they can approximate the score. Utilizing a credit report (and possibly a score) to be the deciding factor in hiring someone is not always in the employers best interest. It's common knowledge that most credit reports are riddled with inconsistencies and non factual information. In other words credit reports and contain many mistakes.

        #4.1 - Thu Nov 10, 2011 7:23 PM EST
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        TOTALLY bogus that credit scores are considered when hiring someone. America the free? Yea right.

        • 11 votes
        Reply#5 - Thu Nov 10, 2011 9:22 AM EST

        They can't unless you are notified (asked permission) of the action of pulling a credit report. There's document you sign to prove notification or the potential to have your credit report pulled during the application process.

        Employers who pull a person's (applicants) credit score without authorization is breaking the law. However, banking/financial industries (legitimately since money and numbers are handled in the job), I believe, don't need the authorization.

          #5.1 - Thu Nov 10, 2011 6:49 PM EST

          @Gimme-Employers commonly disguise the credit check in the wording. They will call the credit check a background check instead.

          • 1 vote
          #5.2 - Thu Nov 10, 2011 9:32 PM EST
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          It's funny how ones credit score can decide whether you get the job or not or if the auto insurance company is going to insure you. I find it funny in this day and age when there is more than one person using your social security number that they would think that a credit score is a good way to decide if you are a good trusting person. A friend of mine just found out someone is using her nine year old granddaughter's social security number and they are working at McDonald's. There is another fraud on her granddaughter's social security number so that tells me there is another person other than the McDonald's employee using it. A social security number is nothing but a joke. It can ruin your life before you are of working age.

          • 12 votes
          Reply#6 - Thu Nov 10, 2011 9:22 AM EST

          I cannot help but see this as meaning other things, between the lines.

          For example:

          Quoting the article,

          "...they did find a correlation between lower credit scores and a more agreeable personality,..."

          A more agreeable personality is nice, but what does it mean for an employer?

          It could mean that the employee will be more docile and not "make trouble". It could mean that they can be exploited by their employer. After all, there are many who are desperate for jobs, out there. They may be willing to do ANYTHING in order to be rid of their deteriorating economic conditions.

          People with lower credit scores may already be in a defensive mode. They may have had demeaning experiences with those companies that pursue debt, and it can be stressful.

          I receive continuous phone calls at my office from groups that call to inquire about a previous employee, and they don't stop, no matter what I tell them. This person is no longer working for us, and left several years a go.

          Perhaps this individual used the work phone number to evade pursuit, but when I tell these debt-hounds that they are not located here any more, they seem to ignore it. When I tell them that someone should take down the information so that they don't waste their time leaving continuous threatening messages on our Voice mail, they get indignant.

          This is an example of what some people go through, and I can imagine that they would feel very subdued by these experiences.

          It is also an example of what we, as employers, sometimes go through, getting caught in the middle.

          But, I believe that this article also sends the wrong message, reinforcing the idea that one doesn't have to be responsible with their credit - so that they can get a job.

          Our American society already has enough trouble understanding credit and debt.

          The authorities that designed these systems knew what they were doing. They snared a lot of people into economic slavery.

          I believe that this article may serve to reinforce the debt culture that many cannot get out of in the first place - and it will just make economic conditions even worse.

          • 6 votes
          Reply#7 - Thu Nov 10, 2011 9:23 AM EST

          I receive continuous phone calls at my office from groups that call to inquire about a previous employee, and they don't stop, no matter what I tell them. This person is no longer working for us, and left several years a go.

          Get the name of their organization and then tell them that person is no longer there and to stop calling and that they are harassing you and your company, record the conversation if possible. Then if they call again, sue them for harassment. Once you use that language it becomes a legal issue.

          • 4 votes
          #7.1 - Thu Nov 10, 2011 1:18 PM EST

          You can file a "cease & desist." Next time they call: immediately ask for the supervisor of the rep. When you get that person, inform them that you are recording the call for your own security purposes. Then in form them that you need their name and fax number of where to send the "C&D". It's just a 1 paragraph letter that says you don't allow them to contact you anymore. Fax it off. That will end it.

          • 1 vote
          #7.2 - Thu Nov 10, 2011 6:44 PM EST

          When we started the process of refinancing our home I was shocked at our credit report from two of the three big players. We have a good retirement income (thank God), we have no debt except for our mortgage (paid automatically out of our account every month and never late in all 12 years of the loan) and have three credit cards which we pay off in full every month. Two of the bureaus said that we had large outstanding balances on our credit cards and our debt to available credit ratio was too large. We figured out how they were judging this, and it made absolutely no sense. If we had opened a large group of credit cards, we would have a huge amount of available credit. That would have counterbalanced the fact that we have an outstanding mortgage of under $100,00, less than half the value of our house. Does this make any sense? The credit bureaus don't even look at your history of payments. To rely on such a flawed system for judging a person's credit is ludicrous. Why would an employer even take these reports seriously?

          • 3 votes
          #7.3 - Thu Nov 10, 2011 7:10 PM EST

          My father never used credit cards. I don't even know if he has one now. And despite a lifetime of working for what he has and being debt-free, he's been considered to have "bad credit"!

          • 4 votes
          #7.4 - Thu Nov 10, 2011 9:11 PM EST
          Reply

          I've been saying this for years, ever since I first heard about the practice. I didn't affect me until I became one of the millions laid off this last couple of years. Thankfully, I now have a decent job, thanks to a friend.

          • 6 votes
          Reply#8 - Thu Nov 10, 2011 9:24 AM EST

          They used 142 people for this survey? Probably all from the same area in LA. Yea. This is some real scientific data!

          • 2 votes
          Reply#9 - Thu Nov 10, 2011 9:25 AM EST

          From the article: "rounded up 142 volunteers who were willing to take a personality test, supply a credit score, and allow the researchers to question supervisors about job performance."

          I agree. Such a study does not even pass a basic test of scientific scrutiny.

          • 1 vote
          #9.1 - Thu Nov 10, 2011 6:01 PM EST

          Believe it or not, statistical data is reliable on such a small number of people, IF the people chosen were indeed random and not from one geographical location or only from one economic class. If the study is not accurate, it is more likely from bias caused by the selection process or the statistical method used to determine results than from the number of participants.

          • 1 vote
          #9.2 - Thu Nov 10, 2011 6:28 PM EST

          The really good way to check a potential employee is to run a criminal history not a credit score. A credit score can be affected by a very benign set of circumstances that have nothing to do with employability. Meanwhile I want to know if a teacher has been arrested for assault or a bank teller has been convicted of theft.

          • 4 votes
          #9.3 - Fri Nov 11, 2011 2:07 AM EST

          Great observation, Sierra. Criminal background checks and drug tests are way better to weed out potentially bad employees. It won't finger people with bad attitudes necessarily. But, checking acutal behavior and checking references is way better.

            #9.4 - Fri Nov 11, 2011 9:14 AM EST
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            P.S.

            Why has the graphic picture next to my name been changed to have a "more feminine" appearance?

            Not that it really matters...but...

            Although this is cute, I wonder if the change from the "green boy" implies, in a stereotypical way, that this type of article should only be read and commented by females in our society (?)

              Reply#10 - Thu Nov 10, 2011 9:45 AM EST

              Apparently if you don't post a picture you are a girl. For the record, I'm a bald male but I'm kind of liking having some hair.

              • 7 votes
              #10.1 - Thu Nov 10, 2011 6:16 PM EST
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              HR departments are staffed largely by morons who worry more about protecting the company against workers comp claims and wrongful termination suits than about hiring the right people. Look at your own HR department and tell me how many people in there truly understand what your company does at the shop-floor level. My money says not a single person in most HR departments have a clue. They major in business, get moderate grades, and end up in HR where they implement ideas like using credit scores to make hiring decisions.

              This is just another hapless attempt by companies to make hiring easy and brainless. Much like the "honesty tests" some employers used to give as part of the pre-hiring screening process. If you were truly an honest person, there was no way you'd get a passing score on the test. The only possible way to get a passing score on the "honesty test" was to lie through your teeth!

              We sort of brought this on ourselves as employees, or at least a few bad apples have spoiled it for the rest of us.

              • 3 votes
              Reply#11 - Thu Nov 10, 2011 9:54 AM EST

              I think credit score makes sense, some times, especially if a person is dealing with a lot of financial transactions or readily liquidated assets. Sometimes a low credit score can indicate a person may be more likely to steal in desperation. I had a credit check run against me when I was hired, and if I get a job where I have to apply for a clearance, they'll run it again.

                Reply#12 - Thu Nov 10, 2011 11:58 AM EST

                That's a good point, but when they do our clearances they look at a MUCH bigger picture than just the credit score. Most employers can't afford to gather that much information - and certainly don't have the expertise to digest it and make an appropriate decision.

                  #12.1 - Thu Nov 10, 2011 12:44 PM EST

                  You can also look at this another way. A person with bad credit could be so desperate to establish good credit that he/she is willing to work their booty off in an honest hard day's work to acquire the money to pay off their debts legitimately.

                  • 4 votes
                  #12.2 - Fri Nov 11, 2011 2:14 AM EST
                  Reply

                  Even though I don't use an applicants' credit score when I hire, I do think it does give an employer some insight into a person's reliability. Also, I've had to deal with bill collectors calling for my employees at work and repo men showing up to take employee's vehicles. A personal problem shouldn't become your employer's problem.

                  • 1 vote
                  Reply#13 - Thu Nov 10, 2011 1:39 PM EST

                  On the other hand if a person is living paycheck to paycheck thier absentee rate may be lower because they can't afford to miss a day?

                  • 2 votes
                  #13.1 - Thu Nov 10, 2011 7:06 PM EST
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                  A credit score (CS) is not a valid measure of anyone. A CS is just an arbitrary number assigned by banks. A CS is a tool that banks use to charge higher interest rates and push higher profits.

                  Is your employer loaning you money ?

                  • 4 votes
                  Reply#14 - Thu Nov 10, 2011 5:30 PM EST

                  Bernard Lawrence "Bernie" Madoff had a credit score 844.

                  I guess that made him a really honest employee of the NYSE

                  • 8 votes
                  Reply#15 - Thu Nov 10, 2011 5:36 PM EST

                  Absolutely!!! Credit scores are a biased joke.

                    #15.1 - Fri Nov 11, 2011 2:16 AM EST
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                    OK - I have 2 candiates for a job with "equal" skills and both "do well on" the interview.

                    The only difference between the 2:

                    Candiate 1 - Credit score of 400

                    Candiate 2 - Credit score of 780

                    Gee, which one do I pick. Which one would you pick.

                    Credit scores are just one more piece of information about a person, as an employer who is investing money, time and my business with each employee I feel it is OK to have as much information as possible when I hire them.

                    And I don't necessary need "team players" for many occupations. In many cases, I don't want someone who is laid back, I need a go getter.

                    But as said, this study is probably about as accurate as most studies, not likely.

                      Reply#16 - Thu Nov 10, 2011 5:38 PM EST

                      If credit scores are what YOU use to select employees, you don't pick either one of these candidates, you keep interviewing until you find a candidate that does better than "well" in the interview.

                      • 4 votes
                      #16.1 - Thu Nov 10, 2011 6:03 PM EST

                      So what about the person who has no credit because they are RESPONSIBLE with their money and don't buy crap they don't need unless thay can pay for it?

                      What right do you claim is yours when you say you need my credit score? Is it okay for me to ask the credit score of a company that is going to hire me? It should be, after all I have every right to know I'm going to get paid on time every time.

                      What the @!$%# makes you think you have any right whatsoever to know about ANYTHING I do outside of my work? I AM NOT YOUR SLAVE! As long as I have the qualifications to do the job, and I do that job as well as can be expected, YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ME OR MY FAMILY! PERIOD!

                      • 6 votes
                      #16.2 - Thu Nov 10, 2011 6:08 PM EST

                      So 142 volunteers who had enough time on their unemployed hands decided to provide answers to a "scientific" study...(?) And this is published as newsworthy by MSNBC????

                      • 1 vote
                      #16.3 - Thu Nov 10, 2011 6:31 PM EST

                      Sillyson,

                      Don't you think it might be a good idea for the day care center where you take your kids to know if they are hiring a child abuser or molestor? Or for the resturant where you eat has employees with hepatitis? Maybe you don't mind if the teller at your bank is miles in debt and deposits your money in her account? Yes, it is an employers business and their responsibility to know as much as possible about the people they hire.

                        #16.4 - Thu Nov 10, 2011 6:36 PM EST

                        Sillyson, you are right on the money!!! After all, Bernie Madoff had an excellent credit score... where did that get him?

                        • 1 vote
                        #16.5 - Thu Nov 10, 2011 6:41 PM EST

                        Evil Business Owner

                        Doing a background check on a person working with children or other peoples money is not the same as needing my credit score. No restaurant owner/manager can possibly know if an employee has any number of communicable diseases and again, not even close to the same category as wanting my credit score.

                        You said, "Yes, it is an employers business and their responsibility to know as much as possible about the people they hire."

                        Then by all means make it a two way street, and have all your paperwork in order for all prospective employees. Every scrap of information on the company and every single manager, including credit scores, criminal and medical records, as well as the financial records concerning retirement pensions etc., and all the records for those people responsible for them.

                        I'll repeat it since you don't seem to grasp such a simple concept, I AM NOT YOUR SLAVE!

                        • 5 votes
                        #16.6 - Thu Nov 10, 2011 6:58 PM EST

                        * Evil*

                        I user to have a great score. Then I bought a house and got laid off. Now I have no insurance. Am I honest? You bet I am. Do I work hard? Hell yes I do. Do I pay my bill? Of corse I do, unfortunatley it's after the mortgage gets paid and food is put on my table for my children. I now have an antenna for the TV, I have internet from free WIFI at the local coffee shop. This would be so I can job search when not out pounding tha pavement. So I guess if you put my score next to someone else with a better score and we have the same qualifications I would be SOL. Yes, I guess I would be. But you would also be out a great employee. Why? 'Cause I am an honest and harding working individual. I do not call in sick (unless truley ill), I am alway on time or early. I can answer the phone, file and chase after others and fixs their mistakes with a smile on my face. Youn would be the one missing out. Not I.

                          #16.7 - Fri Nov 11, 2011 8:43 AM EST

                          and the credit score tells you absolutely nothing about either candidate other than one has decent credit and the other doesn't. Period. It doesn't tell you a thing about their character, it doesn't tell you anything about how much of a go getter they are, it doesn't tell you anything about how loyal they will be to you and your company, its basically an empty metric.

                          I'd even argue that it shouldn't be used as an indicator for a financial institution job. People very often put their homelife in a box and their work life into a box and the 2 often react in very different ways.

                          And as multiple people have stated, the bernie maddof's, and kenneth Lays had stellar credit

                          • 1 vote
                          #16.8 - Fri Nov 11, 2011 10:41 AM EST
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                          Such a silly way to judge someones abilities. Anyone who puts that much trust into the credit reporting system or makes such shallow assumptions about someone else should be dipped in canned puppy chow and thrown to a pack of hungry chihuahuas.

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                          Reply#17 - Thu Nov 10, 2011 5:59 PM EST

                          I did a keyword search in the Journal of Applied Psychology on their APA website and could not find any references to credit scores or the author from LSU.

                            Reply#18 - Thu Nov 10, 2011 6:02 PM EST

                            Years ago I worked for a finance company and we used credit scores in qualifying people for loans. We understood though that it was a tool, and just one of many. It did not tell the whole story. Even a judgment was not a be all and end all. We made our decisions based on the whole package including a thorough background check and a personal interview. Using only the credit score would have made it very easy to turn down applicants who ended up paying on time and making us money, but we were taught that we were in the business of finding ways to make loans not deny them. If that's what we learned in a finance company setting I can only imagine how it translates to a job application.

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                            Reply#19 - Thu Nov 10, 2011 6:10 PM EST

                            i have an excellent driving record but my insurance company has raised my rates by about 40% since i had to file for Chapter 13. I went Ch 13 due to taking care of an aged, terminally ill parent. I paid off my debts at 100% and got out of CH 13 30 months early. The company even gives me a discount for 10+ years of no accidents, citations, claims. I would change companies, but because my credit score is low, i can't get another company. I wouldn't try to change jobs no matter what, since companies hiring are doing the same thing. So much for responsibility and looking out for our aging parents or other loved ones.

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                            Reply#20 - Thu Nov 10, 2011 6:19 PM EST
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