We are the median: Living on $50,000, military-style

Jim Seida / msnbc.com

Jason Ruediger carries his 2-year-old daughter, Aureus, while his wife pushes their 1-year-old son, Crichton, on the Naval Air Station North Island in Coronado, Calif.

CORONADO, Calif. – Just a few years ago, Jason Ruediger was a single guy with a military salary and little more to spend it on than his car, insurance and meals out.

“When you’re single, I mean, your whole paycheck goes to you,” said Ruediger, 25, a petty officer second class with the Navy.

But now his paycheck has to stretch to cover his wife, two young children and two large dogs.

“I’ve actually gotten really good at budgeting,” said Ruediger, who is based at Naval Air Station North Island in Coronado, Calif., where he works as aviation support technician IMRL manager, meaning he helps manage inventory.

The military plays a big role in helping Jason, and his wife, Mariecor, 37, make ends meet on a little less than $50,000 a year in an expensive area like Coronado, outside of San Diego.

Jason estimates they would have to take in a civilian salary of $80,000 just to maintain the standard of living they now have for less than $50,000.

TODAY.com's Life Inc. blog visited the Ruedigers in Coronado this week as part of a series of stories looking at what it’s like to live on the nation’s median income of about $50,000 a year.

The family’s cozy, recently remodeled yellow house is part of the Navy’s partially subsidized military housing. The Ruedigers get groceries from the commissary with no added tax, aid for their education through military programs and help with things like holiday gifts for their children, ages 1 and 2, from charities focused on military families. Living on base saves on gas and other commuting expenses.

Perhaps most important, the couple’s military insurance covered the hefty bills stemming from the premature birth of their daughter Aureus, 2, and later her hospitalization due to Kawasaki disease, which causes inflammation of artery walls.

Jim Seida / msnbc.com

Aureus Ruediger, 2, suffered medical problems but was covered by her family's military health care plan.

“The military takes care of you really well,” Ruediger said.

Still, the couple sometimes find their budget stretched by unexpected expenses, and it’s hard to afford things like travel. Mariecor has not been able to get to her native Guam to visit her mother, who had a serious stroke three years ago.

The couple also says deployments take a toll. Jason left on a mission to the Gulf with the USS Nimitz just two weeks after Aureus was born at 29 weeks.

Although he was home in time to hear Aureus say her first words and take her first steps, he doesn’t want to miss any more of his children's big milestones. That’s why he has decided to leave the military in May, after about six years of service.

“Those are things that you’re not going to get back,” he said.

Jim Seida / msnbc.com

A to-do list of financial goals hangs in the bathroom wall in the Ruediger home.

The couple keeps a five-year plan taped next to the bathroom mirror. It’s a constant reminder of their personal, professional and financial goals.

Jason says the couple have made some financial mistakes, and they do have some debt. But they’ve learned from their experiences.

“We’ve had a few headwinds, so you just learn and keep going,” he said.

Their baby girl was in the hospital for two and a half months after she was born, and every day Mariecor either took the bus, walked two miles to the taxi stand or got a ride to the hospital to spend time with her daughter, who is now a healthy, active toddler.

It was during those early days as a mother that Mariecor said she decided she needed to go back to school. Although she would love to be a stay-at-home mother, she wants the family to have the financial security of two incomes.

“You know how every parent wants that their child has a better life?” she says. “I wanted that.”

Mariecor has an undergraduate degree in biology and is pursuing a master’s degree in organizational management. One of her goals is to become a published author, and she hopes that eventually she and her husband each will be making $75,000 a year.

Jason also is already thinking ahead to how he will provide for the family once he’s a civilian. He’s studying for an associate’s degree and plans to eventually get a bachelor’s degree in Web design.

Meanwhile, he’s already started a Web-based business selling birthday party supplies, and he’s talking with the Navy about the possibility of doing his military job as a civilian once he’s discharged. They have put off having another child because they will no longer have military health insurance.

“I don’t want to have a $50,000 medical bill,” he said.

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Do you have a five-year financial plan?

 

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Yes, I like to plan ahead.
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No, I'm just trying to get by day-to-day.
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Yes, I like to plan ahead.

It's onl commen sense to have a financial plan. Without one ou are almost guaranteed to fail at some point.

  • 6 votes
 - 9:06 am EST on Tue Dec 6, 2011
Sort of, but it's not formalized.

Living on a military wage can be tough once the children come. I liked living on base though and the friends in the neighborhood.

  • 3 votes
 - jbold
 - 9:07 am EST on Tue Dec 6, 2011
Yes, I like to plan ahead.

I'd just like to point out that about 60% of the military members make less than $50K/yr. Some as little as $18K.

  • 38 votes
 - 9:36 am EST on Tue Dec 6, 2011
Yes, I like to plan ahead.

About the story - He is an enlisted Petty Officer... There is no way he makes 50k/year. That has to be a combined income.

  • 21 votes
 - 9:39 am EST on Tue Dec 6, 2011
No, I'm just trying to get by day-to-day.

When you are living paycheck to paycheck. I do not see how planning gets you out of ever increasing BILLS and EXPENSE DO YOU PLAN FOR LESS?

  • 3 votes
 - 9:39 am EST on Tue Dec 6, 2011
Sort of, but it's not formalized.

Let's don't forget that plans change! A plan is better than none, but one shouldn't necessarily believe it will go unchanged or maybe fail

  • 3 votes
 - 9:43 am EST on Tue Dec 6, 2011
No, I'm just trying to get by day-to-day.

Once I'm out of debt, I plan to not get back into it and save for retirement.

  • 6 votes
 - 9:53 am EST on Tue Dec 6, 2011
Yes, I like to plan ahead.

My plan is to not get married or have kids for at least 6 years so I can save as much as possible. Cops don't bring in a lot of cash.

  • 4 votes
 - KevC
 - 9:54 am EST on Tue Dec 6, 2011
Yes, I like to plan ahead.

He's an officer and finds it tight? Try enlisted pay, pal! Cut that pay to 1/3 of that amount.
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- Betty-301392
- 9:12 am EST on Tue

  • 22 votes
 - 10:15 am EST on Tue Dec 6, 2011
Yes, I like to plan ahead.

It's easy to plan for your future when you make a comfortable income. I pray for those families that make $50,000 or less and struggle.

  • 6 votes
 - 10:18 am EST on Tue Dec 6, 2011
Sort of, but it's not formalized.

I don't put everything in stone, since things change, but I do make investments and save...With this economy, you can't afford not to!

  • 1 vote
 - 10:31 am EST on Tue Dec 6, 2011
Sort of, but it's not formalized.

I don't live extravagantly and I make plans for med insurance car purchases to plan out long term expenses

  • 1 vote
 - 10:39 am EST on Tue Dec 6, 2011
Sort of, but it's not formalized.

I am not financing anything anymore, and once my debt is gone I will pay cash for all.

  • 5 votes
 - 10:54 am EST on Tue Dec 6, 2011
No, I'm just trying to get by day-to-day.

Had to put the 5yr plan on hold. Todays economy has no promise with all the education in the world. Look at the class of 2011 still looking

  • 5 votes
 - 11:00 am EST on Tue Dec 6, 2011
Sort of, but it's not formalized.

The military has come a long way since my retirement in 1971. I began my career @ $35 a month to a CWO's pay scale in1971, then retired

  • 5 votes
 - 11:10 am EST on Tue Dec 6, 2011
Sort of, but it's not formalized.

My husband and I are undergrads,, so while we have a general plan, a lot of things are still in the air. We are meeting our goals though.

  • 1 vote
 - 11:11 am EST on Tue Dec 6, 2011
Yes, I like to plan ahead.

A Petty Officer 2nd Class IS Enlisted. And yes, that's 50K that you make, not a combined income.
-Ex Military Spouse

  • 11 votes
 - 11:20 am EST on Tue Dec 6, 2011
Yes, I like to plan ahead.

I am a SFC E7 in the Army it even gets tight as a SR NCO. BTW to the one that said the guy was an officer. a pretty officer is enlisted.

  • 10 votes
 - 11:22 am EST on Tue Dec 6, 2011
Sort of, but it's not formalized.

$50K must include his BAQ/VHA and COMRATs on top of "base" pay for PO2. He also likely get Hazard Duty and Flight deck pay as AIR wing.

  • 7 votes
 - htdjpf
 - 11:24 am EST on Tue Dec 6, 2011
Sort of, but it's not formalized.

Planning ahead is hard, but u have 2 keep focused. @Betty 301392 - he's NOT officer, he's enlisted (petty officer is E-4 & up).

  • 6 votes
 - keziah
 - 11:31 am EST on Tue Dec 6, 2011
Yes, I like to plan ahead.

Without a plan on where you are going there is no way to complain about where you end up!

  • 3 votes
 - 11:32 am EST on Tue Dec 6, 2011
Sort of, but it's not formalized.

Before you whine, most military do not make that much. My ex made a 20,000 and the tax free goods still cost alot since they're name brand

  • 9 votes
 - 11:34 am EST on Tue Dec 6, 2011
Sort of, but it's not formalized.

Disability income 19908 yr. Had 49k 401k when disabled 1/98.Invested & its about 80k now.60 yrs age get some pension when 65.Can live on 20

  • 2 votes
 - 11:42 am EST on Tue Dec 6, 2011

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I spent eleven years in the military, and the benefits simply couldn't be beat. Free housing, free medical care, time off whenever you need it and for essentially as long as you want when there's a crisis. Of course, there's a down side to everything, and that is always having to answer to someone who thinks they're smarter than you, dealing with obstructive regs, and going to war when your number is called.

The article doesn't even mention what you get if you retire. Decent pension that you can start picking up in your late 30s and get until you die. GI bill benefits are the best you'll find of any employer. A comprehensive health care plan for about twenty-thirty bucks a month (all of these retired people who piss and moan about having to pay for their health care, get over it. You have by far the most generous health plan and are paying about a buck a day for it). If you can manage the lifestyle, the military life can put you in a very good position to succeed.

  • 25 votes
#1 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 8:11 AM EST

Cool Rack, one thing I experienced when I enlisted back in 1961, man, I never ate so well. When I was growing up I was fortunate to have a couple slices of toast and a cup of coffee for breakfast. Lol, man, morning chow was something else, two eggs, sausage or a mystery meat cutlet, hotcakes sometimes, french toast, man, life was good.

  • 8 votes
#1.1 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 8:48 AM EST

I agree about the GI Bill it can't be beat, we pay for our tricare too, 35.00 a month for the three of us and 12.00 co-pays, plus a percentage of surgeries etc, no more dental insurance though, not that it was all the great when we did have it ;)

I don't know why they're making the "tax free" commissary so great though, I rarely ever shop there, there's no tax but they do charge a "surcharge" and you have to tip the person taking your groceries out for you (not that I have a problem with the tip part) when I buy 150.00 worth of groceries it usually costs me around 170.00 with surcharge and tip it's usually cheaper for me to just go to the local grocery store and pay the tax.

as of 1 Feb husband will be officially retired for one year (after being in for 26 years) the last 6 months he's been regretting leaving, I have mixed feelings on it, no more deployments! and I can still do the Army wife FRG/CARE team part of it, but it's not the same thing as having you're own "company" even after almost a year I'm still not used to hubby being home every day, and I miss tripping over his stupid boots that I used to complain about ;) and I miss the paycheck!

  • 6 votes
#1.2 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:47 AM EST

1SG FitzsWife, I know exactly how your husband feels and what he is going through. After spending my entire adult life in the military I found it was truly a different world out here when I retired. I'm glad you pointed out about the surcharge at the Commissary as there are still things I find that are cheaper at WalMart. As for the Exchange, I won't even go into that, because it is an example of corporate greed disguised as a "benefit" for the military, I rarely go there as I can find about everything cheaper off base. Then there's the gas stations on base that are just as expensive or more than off base, when they aren't taxed on what they sell. All that means more profit for AAFES or the other exchanges on bases.

As for those who believe life in the military is so grand, guess again. In one 4 year period during my career, I was gone from my family for 32 months. Plus, I got the opportunity to go to places that some people only dream about, albeit, a bad dream in some cases. Yes, this was my choice. Yes, I could have gotten out when my enlistment was over. But, what I will tell you is that what I learned in my time is that there is truly no nobler a profession than to serve one's country. I learned a great appreciation for what we do have in this country and truly learned that we live in the greatest nation on the planet.

Yes, there are benefits that can't be beat. You do get medical care for you and your family while you're in, but, keep in mind a lot of doctors got their start in the military as it is a big market for doctors starting off so they can pay off college loans and such. But, as in my case it's not always the best. When I retired, I went to a neurosurgeon to look into some back problems that I had for years. I found that I had 4 ruptured discs in my back with 2 of them herniated and pressing on nerves causing great pain and numbness. Over the next 3 years, I had 5 surgeries to try and repair the damage, and make it so I could go about day-to-day activities. All this went undiagnosed by the doctors I seen in the military treatment facilities. At another point in my career, I was having knee problems and went to get it looked at. I was told it was just strain, given some Motrin, and sent back to duty. I found out later, when I had surgery on that same knee, that I had actually had broken my femur just above the knee.

As for pay, a lot of that has occurred in recent years. Yes, President Regan really gave us a boost back in 81 but, as the wars have dragged on over the past 10 years, the military found that it was going to have to pay more to keep an all volunteer force. I remember starting off going to the paymaster and collecting just over $200 for a month on the job. When I got married, I actually got in an argument one time with my brother-in-law because he couldn't understand how my family could survive on what I was making, that I must be making a mistake. It was the mid 80s and I was making about $16k per year.

For those of you who feel the need to bash what our military men/women get in return for their service, all I can do is point out, as others have, there is nothing preventing you from going to your local recruiters office. However, I will assure you that you need to be prepared to give up control of your life and do what is "in the best interests of the military". Serving our nation is a sacrifice but, in the end I wouldn't trade my time in the military for nothing.

  • 24 votes
#1.3 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 10:32 AM EST

When I retired, I went to a neurosurgeon to look into some back problems that I had for years. I found that I had 4 ruptured discs in my back with 2 of them herniated and pressing on nerves causing great pain and numbness. Over the next 3 years, I had 5 surgeries to try and repair the damage, and make it so I could go about day-to-day activities. All this went undiagnosed by the doctors I seen in the military treatment facilities

I'm actually going through this right now, unfortunately I just lost my job and since hubby was previously married (they love to screw soldiers in a divorce) he has to give his ex half his retirement plus another 1300.00 a month in child support, (which leaves a little over 1100.00 a month)so the 8 grand to pay for my part of the surgery just isn't there. But we'll muddle through and when hubby finishes school (THANK YOU GI BILL!!) he's been offered a civilian job on post I just have to be careful until then (neurosurgeon says one wrong jolt and I'll be paralyzed)

I'm used to it though been raised a military brat my entire life (my dad was navy for 15 years and then army for another 15) I remember when I was younger (80s) being excited because dad got paid and mom could put raisins in the rice we were eating for dinner.

I'm happy to not have to PCS anymore, we were just discussing the other night that this will be the first time in my life I'll have ever lived anywhere for more than a year or two, which is great because our daughter just started her first year of high school, I can't imagine what it would be like to go to the same school for 4 years, the next time we move it'll be because we're buying the house I plan to die in lol. I hate moving!

But like you Greg, I wouldn't change it for anything (well except maybe I would've been able to actually get to live in Germany!) Thank you for your service.

  • 4 votes
#1.4 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 11:14 AM EST

“When you’re single, I mean, your whole paycheck goes to you,” said Ruediger, 25, a petty officer second class with the Navy.

But now his paycheck has to stretch to cover his wife, two young children and two large dogs.

Then maybe you shouldn't have gotten married and brought two kids into the world you are unable to afford.

You made choices to marry, have kids, so don't expect the rest of the taxpayers to start picking up the tab for you and your family.

Raising kids is not cheap, and I believe it's time that couples should be required to see a financial adviser before having kids that they cannot afford.

When are people going to start being responsible for their actions. I feel for this family, but they made the choice in having not one, but two kids. I hope they aren't considering a third.

  • 7 votes
#1.5 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 11:32 AM EST

This is why I can't understand republicans. They love the military but vote against Universal Healthcare.

Free healthcare and free dental was one of the biggest money savers in the military.

(the other would be $4 on-base hair cuts...of course you only had two styles to choose from...High and Tight better know as the coconut wearing a toupe or the Regulation - seen as the official hair cut in any Depression Era movie)

  • 6 votes
#1.6 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 11:33 AM EST

Those that are in now are receiving better pay than what my spouse did years ago! You would have to be a Chief to make what this guy is doing, even without inflation. It is a good thing and well deserved.

Greg has described that past situation quite accurately. Back then if you had a family and were in the military, you were eligible for food stamps. Pretty disgusting if you think about it! Both parents had to work, which is not unusual in today's world, but it is hard when you are being relocated constantly to maintain a well paying job. The changes that these guys have experienced are great and it is good to see they can plan for their future and not to live week by week.

  • 6 votes
#1.7 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 11:35 AM EST

Sorry to disagree, but the commissary we shop at represents a huge savings, and has a much better selection of goods than any Walmart I've ever been in. The small surcharge is a hell of a lot less than the local 9.25% sales tax. And tipping the bagger a couple of bucks to load a full cart of stuff into our vehicle is a deal!

  • 8 votes
#1.8 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 11:39 AM EST

What GI Bill, when I was in, Congress cut it out so those who served from 1976 to 1986 didn't get squat for Education benefits. They just used you like a dispensable body then tossed you out when they were thru with you. Remember the movie "They were Expendable", well to the government that is all you are expendable just as long as you meet their goals.

  • 6 votes
#1.9 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 11:45 AM EST

Free healthcare and free dental was one of the biggest money savers in the military.

Money savers for us, not for the military. Our medical and pensions are taking a big chunk out of DoD's budget. I got an email the other day saying they're looking at converting our retirement plan to 401Ks. Co-pays will certainly increase. Imagine how impossible it would be to offer those benefits to everyone.

  • 5 votes
#1.10 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 11:53 AM EST

His salary includes BAQ for his off-base housing, housing is NOT free, they take away your BAQ if you live in Navy housing. Free health care is NOT free. It's only free if you don't have serious medical issues. We had thousands and thousands of dollars in bills for my daughter (I retired from the Navy). There's cost-share for in-patience, procedures that exceed allowable charges, non-covered services, medical needs not documented charges, etc. A for-instance, my daughter's pupils were not round when she was born, so I asked them to test her eyes. The test results proved she was blind,,,,,, BUT, I asked for the procedure, no medical NEED prompted it, so the test was not covered because they deemed no medical documentation dictated having the test. The article above does not share that his salary would be half that without all the extra pay (sea, BAQ, BAS, FSA, HDP, etc) and that when he retires, none of those are figured into your pay. 50% of your base pay is less than 25% of your active duty pay. I retired as an E-7 and make less than half of what this 25yo is making now. Does the article tell you that?

  • 6 votes
#1.11 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 11:56 AM EST

1SGFitzsWife, I just had to laugh your comment regarding the constant moving. We use to joke with your oldest son, that we were going to buy him a 3 sided class ring because he went to 3 different high schools.

Yes Bencas, you're 100% correct, I'm not sure if the same holds true but, the pay received by lower enlisted soldiers did qualify many families for food stamps and other assistance. But, I know that despite having to talk with many young soldiers about finances, it was not an option they vied for. Many felt that this would be taking from what they were giving and they wouldn't think of it. Some how, some way, they would find a way to make it.

Unless you've been there, it's very difficult for anyone to understand that a person who has served or is serving our nation gives of them self each and everyday, for what so many take for granted. That it is so difficult to understand loyalty and pride to the nation, loyalty and pride to the branch of service and loyalty and pride in oneself.

  • 6 votes
#1.12 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 12:01 PM EST

The post housing is not free. It comes with a laundry list of rules and regulations from how to clean, to rules on how your yard must look.

  • 6 votes
#1.13 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 12:30 PM EST

This is why I can't understand republicans. They love the military but vote against Universal Healthcare.

Because it's NOT free. It is part of their employment, just like any company that covers employee health insurance.

  • 9 votes
#1.14 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 12:40 PM EST

(they love to screw soldiers in a divorce)

You can't put most of that off on the military; that's the ex-wife more than anything.

  • 3 votes
#1.15 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 12:56 PM EST

Military healthcare for soldiers, is one of the worst forms of abuse there is. Soldiers are treated like lower life forms by military medical.

And that 50K a year? If he were a new enlisted, he would be making 20K a year.

E-5 with 6 years in? 30K.

Not horrible, but stop trying to make the military look so awesome and caring.

  • 6 votes
#1.16 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 1:19 PM EST

Rene278

(they love to screw soldiers in a divorce)

You can't put most of that off on the military; that's the ex-wife more than anything.

I didn't mean to make it sound like I was accusing the military they have nothing to do with divorces, it's the civilian courts.

Greg-621390

1SGFitzsWife, I just had to laugh your comment regarding the constant moving. We use to joke with your oldest son, that we were going to buy him a 3 sided class ring because he went to 3 different high schools.

I have three different high school rings and three different yearbooks lol

  • 1 vote
#1.17 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 2:00 PM EST

Yes absolutely, the bennies and all of those things that you all mentioned ARE great... and those of you who have known the life know that you've earned every one of them but one thing is for sure, I know that after my 22 years of active service and three (3) shooting wars, over 150 jumps from airplanes, ACL\MCL's, twisted ankles, C and T Rations... MRE's, so many deployments I can't remember, snake, ant, spider and dog bites, hell, just surviving Fort Bragg and Fayetteville, I can say that I earned every penny that I get today in retirement, so I can safely say that these people serving today in whatever capacity are CERTAINLY earning theirs and MORE... and anyone saying anything different just doesn't know.

As for the pay, I don't think you'd get much of an argument from service members these days because they know and understand that you do not join the military to get rich... if you want to get rich you had better pick another career field, but for those that do stick it out and make the military their career they do deserve to be cared for properly and afforded every benefit imaginable when they retire.

  • 9 votes
#1.18 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 2:26 PM EST

The article also doesn't mention that if he's good enough to make $50,000 in the military, he's prolly good enough to make $150,000 in civilian life. And then on the same "budget", he can retire with even more money and have it build and build even higher! I mean, you only really "retire" for good in your 30's if you're like worn out or disabled...something you have low risk of as a civilian. And by that time he can be a captain of industry eventually and make $200,000 or more with all his "civilian benefits".

You become a soldier if you want to be a warrior. You don't become a soldier to "make money".

    #1.19 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 5:22 PM EST

    How dumb does one have to be to only make $50K a year? These fools should be ashamed of themselves. The breeding of the stupid has to stop.

    • 2 votes
    #1.20 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 6:58 PM EST

    baronvonmoneybags,

    Do you get a kick out of making vile and hateful posts? Just wondering but if anyone shouldn't breed it should be you.

    • 4 votes
    #1.21 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 12:22 AM EST

    Hmmm, yes the military. Doesn't all that sound like the dreaded "socialism" we've been told to be so fearful of?

    • 1 vote
    #1.22 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 8:59 AM EST

    Baronvonmoneybags is an a$$!!!! How much time has he spent defending this country? Probably none. I got out after 23 years and was stupid enough to make $50,000.00. Would not trade it for the world! Now make $ 89,000.00 bases on my military training, and a retirement check. How "DUMB" is that?

    • 1 vote
    #1.23 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 10:23 AM EST

    I think we can assume from his name that he's using satire...

      #1.24 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 1:40 PM EST

      @MarineDoc

      It's no wonder you're a 'Doc'...you appear to be bright.

        #1.25 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 2:06 PM EST
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        50,000 grand a year, I was a E-5 also with 6 years of service, made around $6000 per year, these guys make a lot more $ even with inflation taken into account these days, frankly there isnt much sacrifice as far as money is concerned in the military these days. Front line duty is different (witch should be defined as carrying a weapon in the field and not counting bullets somewhere a 1000 miles from the nearest bad guy) but this guy is crying about going to sea and pushing paperwork on a ship that has AC, a warm bunk, contact with his family and good food. Wonder what he would make in the real world, suspect he would have to live in a trailer somewhere and not in a nice location either.

        • 6 votes
        #2 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 8:45 AM EST

        when your just starting out pay sucks. when your E-5 is when you can survive my wife is E-6 and she gets a spouse bonus and a "her job bones" and she gets about 2500 a month (that is if you live on post). It is still nothing compered to what a civilian would get paid for doing the same thing. the benefits are being cut back dramatically we are going to put our remaining 9 years and leave even if it does look like they will reform the retirement so that you can only get it when your 67. By us having two jobs we have the money to do what we want we Have enogh to save about 2-4K a month and to have as much fun as we want we dont have any debt.

        but this guy is crying about going to sea and pushing paperwork on a ship that has AC, a warm bunk, contact with his family and good food.

        Most of the troops today get very good food in fact they have one problem with deployed soldiers is that a lot come back from deployment fat. Many are able to find a better work out routine to work off the higher calorie meals they have. You can talk easily on skyp the only thing is they shut down skyp for about 4-7 days when there is a KIA. during that time your left wondering was he/she one of them in the base attack will some one be coming to my door soon?

        • 3 votes
        #2.1 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:16 AM EST

        To reach $50k, the family must be getting some outside income to supplement the military pay. At 25-yr-old, he would be E-5 over 6, so the pay plus housing allowance would be around $40k (not sure he gets full housing allowance if living in base housing.) There would be extra sea-pay or haz-duty pay when deployed. He might be able to finagle some flight pay on the air station.

        In the current employment market, he should plan carefully before giving up the benefits of food (for him on duty or deployed), housing, medical/dental/vision care, etc. Those bennies are all TAX_FREE. I hope he can line up a job before taking the plunge. Web designer is probably not the way to support a family of four. It will probably be self-employment or shaky contract work - you get no benefits and must pay double Social Security tax. And there are lots of experienced Web designers out there, scrapping for work. Best of success to the family - it's wonderful that the little girl recovered and is healthy.

        • 2 votes
        #2.2 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 10:51 AM EST

        Well, it doesn't specify if he is an officer or not...

        • 1 vote
        #2.3 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 11:16 AM EST

        It sure does. Right at the beginning it says he'a a CPO2.

        • 4 votes
        #2.4 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 11:41 AM EST

        He's a PO2 - an E-5

        C'mon, Dilberts - figure it out!!!

        When I was a PO2 the base pay was $250/mo, and cruisers still had wooden decks

        • 3 votes
        #2.5 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 12:04 PM EST

        square dude: I don't see this guy crying about anything, just stating facts. Did you read a different article?

        • 2 votes
        #2.6 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 12:07 PM EST

        I don't know where they get $50,000 a year from. My daughter just got out- she was a E5 which is second class on a ship living on the economy and only made $29,844. a year. They are including housing, sea pay, etc. things that not all service members have.

        • 1 vote
        #2.7 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 12:17 PM EST

        Current E-5 pay with more than 4 years experience $29,376 per year (before income tax - state and federal - and other payroll taxes - SS, Medicare).

        Source: http://www.navycs.com/2011-military-pay-chart.html

        BAH (Housing Allowance) for Coronado area: $2019 per month = $24228 per year (non-taxed)

        Source: http://coronadonavalhousing.com/bah.php

        BAS (Subsistence Allowance): $323.87 per month or $3886.44 per year (non-taxed).

        Source: http://militarypay.defense.gov/pay/bas/

        Total Compensation: $57490.44 (before base pay is taxed).

        • 4 votes
        #2.8 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 12:29 PM EST

        The family’s cozy, recently remodeled yellow house is part of the Navy’s partially subsidized military housing.

        they probably don't get a bah or very little of one.

          #2.9 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 2:02 PM EST

          See... I see this all (this article) as BS, now you have the military\family justifying that they deserve what they get and possibly more and those other ..."when I was in..." (me too) and those who think they get too much and some of the other negative things I'm seeing. Again, I would say that the pay is NOT what's making these people do it... here's a thought... if you want to see our military go back to making "peanuts for pay and not being allowed to marry, 1st, stop starting BS wars all around the world and you wouldn't have to pay soldiers to fight... 2nd...start up the draft, and compulsory service for EVERYONE and include those provisions.

          • 2 votes
          #2.10 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 2:41 PM EST

          Square dude said "50,000 grand a year, I was a E-5 also with 6 years of service, made around $6000 per year"

          $6000 per year?

            #2.11 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 4:13 PM EST

            That 50K will not be 50K for much longer - if Sen. McCain gets his way. He has introduced a bill to charge families and retirees for healthcare. So - expect a family of 4 to pay $6K annually for healthcare. After all - shouldn't the budget be balanced on the back of the enlisted again? The military will vote republican even though the repubulicans are the ones taking their money (just so they won't have to raise the tax on the rich).

            And if you question the accuracy of this - go to MOAA.ORG. They are pushing a letter writing campaign to oppose McCain's bill. If you oppose it - tell your congressmen and do it quick. It is part of the defense bill being voted on this month.

              #2.12 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 4:53 PM EST

              Barbara Jean-709617

              Square dude said "50,000 grand a year, I was a E-5 also with 6 years of service, made around $6000 per year"

              $6000 per year?

              #2.11 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 3:13 PM CST

              in 1976 as a spankin' new Pvt I was pulling down $374.40 per month and my jump pay was $25.00 per month... hell yeah... the BIG Bucks!

              • 2 votes
              #2.13 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 5:06 PM EST

              How much was a new Mustang in 76?

              TO day your looking at 28K-40K

                #2.14 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 3:46 AM EST
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                Comment author avatarnad rennatExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                Our military isn't "professional. It's mercenary.

                • 2 votes
                Reply#3 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 8:47 AM EST

                nad rennaut....please explain with an example

                • 4 votes
                #3.1 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 8:53 AM EST

                Lol, right Nad, it's mercenary, and, so is going to work everyday in civilian life. Hell, we're all mercenaries. One thing a old Sgt told me once, about re-enlisting; "All you really have to do is carry a rifle and kick some ass now and then." Well, I didn't re-enlist and sometimes I wish I had.

                • 3 votes
                #3.2 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 8:53 AM EST

                Mercenary is when you join SOMEONE ELSE'S military not the military of your own country.

                • 8 votes
                #3.3 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 10:20 AM EST

                I guess we could classify the large number of non-citizens (permanent legal residents) serving in the US military as mercenaries. Most of them will use it as a path to citizenship, not just for a paycheck.

                • 2 votes
                #3.4 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 11:13 AM EST

                Mercenaries would be the "civilian contractors" that we've been paying to do our soldiers jobs...

                • 3 votes
                #3.5 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 11:17 AM EST

                Do What?

                Stupid comment!

                  #3.6 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 11:32 AM EST

                  The difference between a "Professional soldier" and a Mercenary is simple.

                  The professional soldier "fights" for HIS country out of a sense of duty, honor, patriotism, and to protect his family and country as a full time job, as apposed to a Militia which is a group of volunteer citizen/soldiers that a government may call on in time of emergency, i.e. soldier isn't their "full-time job". In return for this full time service, the soldier in provided training, support, equipment, and a salary.

                  The Mercenary is a soldier for hire. He will "fight" for whomever pays his fee. His "employer" doesn't usually pay for training, support or equipment unless that is specified in the "Contract". Mercenaries have NO loyalty to their employer except what Money can buy.

                  Mailman8,

                  Since those Non-citizens are usually using it as a path to citizenship and not just a pay-check they would not qualify as mercenaries. They have loyalty to the country they are serving other than financial reward.

                  • 1 vote
                  #3.7 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 11:58 AM EST

                  ...so, mailman8... what was YOUR resaon for serving?

                  • 1 vote
                  #3.8 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 3:37 PM EST
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                  hmmm...more of that socialist medical care...how many of you get absolutley free no limit healthcare in your jobs? And before anyone starts getting teary eyed about how the military is dangerous blah blah may I point out this dude is a supply guy and has never been nor will ever be close enough to a combat zone to smell the cordite...

                  • 4 votes
                  #4 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 8:50 AM EST

                  Who gets 100% free healthcare? Hmm let's see around here most "public workers" i.e. county (parish here) workers, teachers, etc. But the question is why begrudge him getting it? It doesn't matter what he does, if you're so jealous of his benefits, go enlist yourself. I really doubt that when he enlisted he had any idea of where he'd get posted. It's not like he answered a want-ad for "supply guy needed for the military, guaranteed never to see action, full benefits". I guess that thought eluded you.

                  • 12 votes
                  #4.1 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:44 AM EST

                  Several "supply guys" have been injured or killed in Iraq and Afghanistan by roadside bombs, ambushes, and snipers. Just remember that for every front line combat troop there are ten more working behind the scenes that allow him or her to do their job.

                  • 7 votes
                  #4.2 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:49 AM EST

                  absolutley free no limit healthcare

                  This is false, not all of it is absolutely free (especially after you retire) and there are most definitely limits. I haven't gotten the 2012 tricare coverage book yet but every year the coverage gets lower and lower.

                  • 5 votes
                  #4.3 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:53 AM EST

                  Ignorance is bliss. Some people need to read or re-read this article. One individual said he was an officer. Now he's a supply guy. He is actually an Aviation Support Equipment Technician. A mechanic. Supply is Store Keeper in the Navy. For those that think ANYTHING is free is confused. The government contractors and MOST civilians work their 8 hour day and GO HOME. Regardless of whether on the front line or somewhere in the U.S. Our troops work until the job is done. An 18 hour day is not uncommon. And for ANYONE that wants to talk poorly of our TROOPS, please feel free to look me up. I live in Plano Texas. If you go to any local veterans organization they will know who I am. Our troops are serving to Support and Defend our Constitution.... Your Freedom. If you have something bad to say, Say it to your politician about their lack of performance.... They all SUCK! Both sides, Demo-rats and Republi-cants.

                  • 20 votes
                  #4.4 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 10:30 AM EST

                  Right on RetiredNavy!

                  • 3 votes
                  #4.5 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 11:19 AM EST

                  Wow Rick, spoken like somebody who really knows what he's talking about. What other areas are you an expert in?

                    #4.6 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 11:49 AM EST

                    Any job speciality can end up seeing action, especially if you're enlisted. Our radar technicians could be tagged for convoy escort duty or to supplement base security. Everyone deploys nowadays, even if they're finance clerks.

                    • 4 votes
                    #4.7 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 11:59 AM EST

                    Rick- Yes, we have the right to our teary eyed view of the military. Both my husband and I served in the US Navy. I served 4 years and he is retired. What many in the civilian world do NOT know is that just because you have a job title, that does not mean that is the only job that you do. At ANY time you may be called up to serve on the front lines. I may have worked on an aircraft carrier as an Aviation Electrician but that does not mean that I no less put my life on the line. You work on the flight deck in the middle of the night with aitcraft taking off and landing every minute.

                    When they say $50,000 a year, they are including benefits because I know for a fact that he does not bring home anywhere close to that. And someone mentioned that wives get $2500 a month. That is NOT TRUE. Having been both military and a military dependent, I can tell you that spouses get NOTHING for there trouble other than the occassional luncheon to honor their sacrifices.

                    Here is, my take on all the people in this country that whine about military spending and the benefits that we receive. You are free to join! Everyone wants to enjoy the very freedom that our men and women in uniform protect but it the few that are willing to put their life on the line to defend it. Yes, you may not like that there is a price for the freedoms that we enjoy BUT the price that we pay in dollars in much less than the price that the men and women that have died for that freedom have paid. Our men and women in uniform earn the benefits that they receive. Please do not dishonor their service by discounting what they do! We should all be thankful that there are those that volunteer knowing that they may be called to put their life on the line.

                    • 6 votes
                    #4.8 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 12:03 PM EST

                    And for ANYONE that wants to talk poorly of our TROOPS, please feel free to look me up.

                    LOL you sound like me. I was a military wife, and my husband damn well earned every penny of his pay. He did get a couple of hundred extra every month because haz pay was a regular part of his salary.

                    I am so glad I live in a small town for many reasons, one being that people don't bad-mouth soldiers or veterans here. Locals respect them and outsiders, if their opinion is negative, have enough of a sense of self-preservation to keep their mouths shut.

                    • 4 votes
                    #4.9 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 12:51 PM EST

                    Voter-in-LA: I live in the Midwest, and NO ONE gets 100% of their health care taken care of. That's right! NONE of the government workers you listed. ONLY military gets 100% health care coverage.

                    I understand they are putting their lives on the line, in some instances. However, I see the day coming when there will be a BIG fight in Congress to reduce their benefits because of all the new people on Veteran's disability. In fact, and I know this isn't going to be a popular thing to report here, but -- I have a friend who was dianosed with PTSD 30 years ago. I was told by that disabled Veteran that the guys coming back now are aware of the symptoms of PTSD and more and more are claiming it as a disability -- and receiving disability for it (milking the system). The VA doctors know many of the claims are false, but are fearful of denying disability for PTSD to returning war vets so they just help them get approval.

                    There will come a point when disability benefits and medical care take a much larger poriton of the Defense Dept.'s budget and something will have to go. But I suppose the DD will threaten NOT to build more planes and/or ships, etc. so they can get more money from the taxpayers. This may work for awhile, but if our economy doesn't improve quite soon, I can see that fight coming on.

                    Hopefully our economy will improve drastically and we won't have to have the discussion of lowering benefits for our Vets. Until then, other areas can only be reduced just so far until there's nothing more to reduce. And if Congress continues to refuse to raise taxes on the super rich, the military will end up being part of the class of haves rather than have nots. A fight about veteran's benefits could tear this country apart irreparably.

                      #4.10 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 2:41 PM EST

                      The VA has never had a problem denying benefits to veterans. The whole process of applying for and being approved for benefits can take years. They don't just pass them out. The amount of paperwork is rediculious and it isn't one doctor who determines who gets approved. The doctor just does an evaluation that is part of the process. Many vets are first denied and have to fight for benefits and the disability better be well documented. My husband is a disabled vet and I also get a small disability payment for an injury during my time in service. I was out of the military for six or seven years before I got compensated for my condition. It's not an easy process.

                      • 2 votes
                      #4.11 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 3:50 PM EST

                      Love it or Leave it
                      I was told by that disabled Veteran that the guys coming back now are aware of the symptoms of PTSD and more and more are claiming it as a disability -- and receiving disability for it (milking the system). The VA doctors know many of the claims are false, but are fearful of denying disability for PTSD to returning war vets so they just help them get approval.

                      I'm sorry to say this but whoever told you all this has absolutely no idea what their talking about! Do OEF/OIF know what the symptoms of PTSD are? More than likely but more often than not, their families can describe them much better. Multiple deployments to combat are eventually pretty devastating to significant number of service members and veterans. It doesn't always show up right away and not everyone reacts to combat the same, but they all change.As to VA doctors not denying claims? VA Doctors don't decide claims, Decision Rating Officers do and they have NO qualms about denying claims. Initial claims take about 1 year from filing. Appeals can take between 2 and 3 years. To take the claim further can take anywhere from 5-9 years, it's no cake walk. Assisting veterans with their VA issues is something I take a great deal of pride in doing. I have also worked on a Reintegration Team (now called Yellow Ribbon) and done everything from job referrals to suicide intervention. You would impress everyone on this board if you would refrain from speaking about issues you know nothing about.

                      • 4 votes
                      #4.12 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 5:02 PM EST

                      @Rick-546746... "blah, blah" ...doesn't matter, he gets it, why you hating?

                      • 2 votes
                      #4.13 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 5:10 PM EST

                      Love it or Leave it

                      Voter-in-LA: I live in the Midwest, and NO ONE gets 100% of their health care taken care of. That's right! NONE of the government workers you listed. ONLY military gets 100% health care coverage.

                      I realize what I listed doesn't happen everywhere which was precisely why I listed that where I live this happens. Obviously I don't live in the Midwest. I am pretty sure however it is not just localized here that there are instances of public workers getting 100% paid benefits. In most cases that is precisely why people will consider a job in some of those fields because the pay simply isn't competitive with the private sector.

                      But the point really is that the post I was responding to felt it was unfair because the individual never saw action. The individual when he enlisted would have absolutely zero clue of where his future was going to take him. Federal laws prohibit providing different benefits within the same organization. So it isn't really clear what the OP was trying to advocate. Is he really for one set of benefits for those seeing action and another set for those who don't? If that occurred, good luck in trying to get the military to hire support personnel at their current salary levels. There is no doubt in my mind that any potential cost savings in health insurance reduction would quickly be exceeded by a drastic increase in salary expenses. For example, I know quite a few "supply people" who work for sub-contractors to the armed forces in Afghanistan at salary levels over $250K a year because THAT is what it takes for a private enterprise to get someone to do that job in a danger zone.

                      And another item people are overlooking is really pretty simplistic. Until recently, health insurance companies had a pretty clear playing field if/when it came around to deciding if they wanted to provide coverage for someone and whether or not they could exclude pre-existing conditions. Seeing as those who agree to potentially put their lives on the line for this country stand a far higher chance than civilians do of getting harmed or permanently injured, where do you think these returning heroes would have turned for benefits? Insurance companies would never have taken them on.

                      Most of those I know who enlisted didn't do so for the benefits they receive. But is it really that much that we are giving them considering all what they do?

                      • 3 votes
                      #4.14 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 5:45 PM EST

                      I don't know about public workers where you live, but in Arkansas teachers have to pay all of their own medical insurance except $131 for the employee. For family coverage it is about $900 a month out of about $3200 a month salary. We would love family coverage, but can't eat if we pay their price for it.

                        #4.15 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 6:39 PM EST

                        voter wish I could give you 100 vote-ups

                        • 1 vote
                        #4.16 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 3:39 AM EST

                        @RetiredNavy07

                        "Our troops are serving to Support and Defend our Constitution.... Your Freedom. If you have something bad to say, Say it to your politician about their lack of performance.... They all SUCK! Both sides, Demo-rats and Republi-cants."

                        Where were they in NYC, Oakland, Portland, New Orleans, etc while our freedom of assembly is not being defended?

                        Once our active military starts defending peacefully protesting citizens from the brutal law enforcement agencies taking away their right to peacefully assembly, I will 100% support any and all benefit assistance given to them.

                        Until that day comes, though, I say our military knows not what they are being paid to defend and do not deserve to be given any of my taxes beyond their salary to assist with housing, food, or any other necessary expense.

                        I support my family of 4 with a single-income salary of $44,000 and I qualify for no federal or state assistance programs for housing, food, or health care. The financial woes depicted in this article are a joke; propaganda to unquestioningly support and feel sorry for our military personnel who likely will be ordered to join in on the massacre of our rights by suppressing peaceful public dissent.

                          #4.17 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 3:22 PM EST

                          Matt, no one is taking away their rights to assemble. The protesters can still use the parks to assemble, they just have to follow the rules. The protesters in Okland, were not what most would call peaceful.

                          • 1 vote
                          #4.18 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 1:10 AM EST

                          Where were they in NYC, Oakland, Portland, New Orleans, etc while our freedom of assembly is not being defended?

                          Your delusional your right of assembly was not taken away your still allowed to gather in the same spots just don't bring your tents. Your like a school kid telling the teacher thy had the right of free speech and that is why thy shouted fire.

                          I support my family of 4 with a single-income salary of $44,000 and I qualify for no federal or state assistance programs for housing, food, or health care.

                          Good for you more Americans need to do it.

                            #4.19 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 9:36 AM EST

                            FYI-- Those IN the military get free healthcare which is only right. NOT their families. The military provides insurance to the families and there is a yearly fee. They have deductibles and copays just like everyone else.

                              #4.20 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 11:54 AM EST
                              Reply

                              Well, I guess we're all paying for families like them.

                              • 3 votes
                              Reply#5 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 8:54 AM EST

                              Exactly how is it that "everyone is paying for families like them"??

                              Do you put your life on the line to ensure the countries freedom? I didn't think so, I think he is actually paying for people like you, you know defending your right to type such things and all.

                              • 15 votes
                              #5.1 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:16 AM EST

                              You do realize military people pay taxes too right Tera?

                              • 7 votes
                              #5.2 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 12:01 PM EST

                              I also am a vetran and all you ex military and military guys that are offering your name and address to (talk to the guy down talking the military) did you all forget why we joined the service? I joined so others could have the rights that they have. not so i could want to fight them for disagreeing with me.. hell let them disagree.. I don't get any benefits but i don't need them,when i do they will be there since i did serve in vietnam and was a marine for 6 years.. but thank god i'am healty and doing fine.. for all you tough guys i was a grunt (0311). take your meds and remember why you joined in the first place

                              • 2 votes
                              #5.3 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 12:10 PM EST

                              I'd rather pay for families like that that do what they are paid to do . I feel GREAT about it BUT if you stay at home and collect welfare money and food stamps that is who I think we should complain about

                              • 3 votes
                              #5.4 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 12:13 PM EST

                              Our Military members aren't welfare cases. Please don't compare them to ones. We get some nice benefits but it's not like it's some sort of "free ride" where they get to sit on their a**.... My husband and others are out there working VERY hard to protect our freedom..

                              • 5 votes
                              #5.5 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 1:32 PM EST

                              Major's Wife,

                              Please read sgthardman's post again. He wasn't comparing military members to welfare recipients. He was saying to those who complain about the pay and benefits of our military that they should be complaining about those who refuse to work and collect welfare, and not those on welfare who are deserving.

                              My son spent a year in Iraq and a year in Afghanistan in a combat unit of the 101st Airborne. His tour in Iraq wasn't too bad since they had a compound they could go back to and wind down a bit since he was on the Battalion Commander's PSD. Afghanistan was a different story, he lived on a COP for a year in a plywood shack. They were on constant guard because they were subject to be attacked at any time the whole time they were there. They rarely got a hot meal and went out on patrols almost every day. The day he was returning from his mid tour leave two of his men were killed in a suicide bombing and he beat himself up pretty bad for not being there because he cared about his men. Did he complain ? He did not, he did his job and actually he liked it there more than when he was back stateside because he was doing the job he was trained for.

                              He's a fine soldier and made E-5 at the ripe old age of 20, just a few months before his 21st birthday. He's a squad leader and takes good care of his men and is an excellent leader and squared away soldier. As you might have noticed, I'm very proud of him for his courage, commitment, honor, and pride. Thank you to all who serve and have served for you have answered your nations call when so many would not knowing full well the risks involved, that in itself is self sacrifice and bravery.

                              • 4 votes
                              #5.6 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 2:50 PM EST

                              Considering what we were paid back when I was in the military, it was necessary for the government to pay 100% on medical since we didn't even make enough to buy a band-aid.

                              Pay is quite a bit better these days, but I still suggest to kids these days to get a degree if they can and THEN go into the military as an officer. I just wish I would have done that back in the day -- maybe I would have stayed in...

                              • 1 vote
                              #5.7 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 3:15 PM EST

                              You're paying for my family, too! Thanks!

                                #5.8 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 4:28 PM EST

                                Soldier's Dad, I wasn't refering to sgthardmans comment, I was refering to another comment. Sorry about the misunderstanding.. Oh and congrats on his making E-5 so young. Not too many make E-5 by 20...

                                • 2 votes
                                #5.9 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 12:04 AM EST
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                                The family’s cozy, recently remodeled yellow house is part of the Navy’s partially subsidized military housing. The Ruedigers get groceries from the commissary with no added tax, aid for their education through military programs and help with things like holiday gifts for their children, ages 1 and 2, from charities focused on military families. Living on base saves on gas and other commuting expenses.

                                Perhaps most important, the couple’s military insurance...

                                Good ol military fraternity... Tax-slurping leaches that are considered more heroic and less loathsome than standard welfare because they come wrapped in the American flag... Pathetic!

                                • 2 votes
                                #6 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:11 AM EST

                                Your welcome.

                                • 3 votes
                                #6.1 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:27 AM EST

                                DAK

                                As a Iraq Veteran who was shot in Iraq I would absolutely love to meet you in person. I'm 5'10, 235lbs and all muscle. I've done and seen things that you would curl your tail and cry like a baby. Please meet me and call me a leach to my face or are you just some coward who hides behind a computer? The only thing pathetic is a slimeball who talks macho when they are protected. Your comment was totally chicken sh!t and you are a coward.

                                • 16 votes
                                #6.2 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:28 AM EST

                                the commissary with no added tax

                                You can find things cheaper of post if you know where to look and how and that is with the state tax.

                                with things like holiday gifts for their children

                                THat is only for deployed soldiers I have never seen any one get some for not being deployed I know a privet that makes 15K a year and has a family of four he has to buy all his own presents for Christmas.

                                Living on base saves on gas and other commuting expenses.

                                it is about 15 cents cheaper at Costco and it is cheaper at several paces off post.

                                Perhaps most important, the couple’s military insurance...

                                When I was a civilian I went to the Doctor twice for tonsillitis cost me 40(2005). in the military it cost me 16(they did have room in the on post clinic so it was a civilian doctor).

                                Tax-slurping leaches that are considered more heroic and less loathsome than standard welfare because they come wrapped in the American flag... Pathetic!

                                We are happily slurping your pathetic tax dollars you contribute to your nation :<) service members can care lass what you think we will do as service member family's have always done and that is serve and not give a damn what you think.

                                • 7 votes
                                #6.3 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:37 AM EST
                                Comment author avatarDAK-1250684Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                                Kiss my behind! It is a job nothing more noble than that.

                                and... BTW while you are off heroically saving the world from "lions & tigers & bears, oh my" the money that pays and equips you & your fellow legionaires is taken from me through coercive taxation and threat of force. You might have 'voluntarily' served but I cannot voluntarily choose to pay or not. F-U get a real job, helping the economy by producing goods and services with real value.

                                • 5 votes
                                #6.4 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:56 AM EST

                                @ DAK-1250684:

                                "Good ol military fraternity... Tax-slurping leaches that are considered more heroic and less loathsome than standard welfare because they come wrapped in the American flag... Pathetic!"

                                WOW! I can tell you are a Liberal or Communist either is the same..question: What have you done for this country besides bad mouth it? Or are you a Civillian that works on base and demands Military benefits? Your a pathetic POS! Your lucky we aren't in the same room and you made that comment, because I knock out your front teeth..tough guy!

                                • 8 votes
                                #6.5 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 10:04 AM EST

                                . F-U get a real job

                                I do so you can do that to yourself I get better offers from my wife.

                                Kiss my behind! It is a job nothing more noble than that.

                                And when you Kiss my behind you can floss you teeth with the hairs:<)

                                but I cannot voluntarily choose to pay or not.

                                Very little of you taxes goes to that. you pay peanuts in taxes.

                                helping the economy by producing goods and services with real value.

                                We help it buy buying and getting services just ask any town what would happen if the base closed that was next to them.

                                • 5 votes
                                #6.6 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 10:08 AM EST

                                @ SMART AND YOUNG:

                                In regards to DAK (lick my SAK)..I agree with your sentiments, but I have first dibbs on this POS! lol.. I served from 87 to 99..and am a SOF troop..I've been blown up, shot, stabbed and had my back broken facing the OPFOR..I'm held together w/ bubble gum and band-aids..PT will cure any ailment..I promise to leave the "fixed blade" in the vehicle..It will only take a few minutes, then when he comes to, you can have what's left!

                                • 3 votes
                                #6.7 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 11:10 AM EST

                                @Dak:

                                It sure is nice to know we leave our family and friends to go to the ends of the world on a drop of a hat, willing to pay the cost...up to and including paying it with our lives, for the freedom you enjoy everyday! You should just smile and say THANKS, afterall.... the price of your freedom and ignorance has been bought and paid for with the blood, sweat, and tears of my Brothers and Sisters in Arms. Have a Merry Christmas DAK! Enjoy the time spent with your family and friends, My Brothers and Sisters are in the Land of Sand and Suck making sure that you still have that right!

                                Ay-ee-Yah...Brave Rifles! Veterans! You have been baptized in fire and blood and have come out steel!

                                • 4 votes
                                #6.8 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 11:41 AM EST

                                Pulse, don't be a jerk like him. I'm a veteran and a liberal and what he said doesn't make him a liberal or a commie. There is nothing liberal about what he said. Liberals don't hate the military, many of us are the military.

                                • 2 votes
                                #6.9 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 12:17 PM EST

                                DAK, I see your are still venting your bile on this web page just as you have since July 2009. You haven't posted one positive comment in two and a half years.

                                It appears that the left, right and anyone in between are your targets and I personally think you are just doing it for attention and to piss everyone off.

                                I suspect that your wife does not allow you to say anything and as a result you vent anonymously so that she won't find out. Either that or your boss is on your ass continuously and your postings are the only way you can scream back at him.

                                I think you need to get some help with this anger issue because you really come across as a disturbed person.

                                • 3 votes
                                #6.10 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 12:42 PM EST

                                Wow, you really sound like a hateful, pathetic, dumba**... You should seek some help for your issues...

                                  #6.11 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 1:49 PM EST

                                  Unbelievable the in-greats you find now in days. Ignorance simple ignorance this Dak guy exudes. I am truly speechless... wow, just wow, you're a piece of sh*t Dak, go to sleep and don't wake up.

                                    #6.12 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 1:56 PM EST

                                    Well to all you people,and I let you know before I say this,I am an old WW2 GI, We have come to the point that our militairy spending is getting way to much and our economy is in the gutter,so changes and cuts are in the future for all of us, no doubt about it.

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #6.13 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 2:54 PM EST

                                    DAK is a typical idiot. He bad mouths those that protect his rights to spew his moronic statements, but lacks the testicular fortitude to defend them himself.

                                    • 2 votes
                                    #6.14 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 3:00 PM EST

                                    And what's the likely hood that we'll quit making kevlar and bullets Harry? You know what they're going to cut, how pissed are you going to be to not get COLA this year?

                                      #6.15 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 3:44 AM EST
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                                      Everyone needs a financial plan and a family plan.

                                      You cannot count on the Government to bail you out. Count on yourself and be happy IF some government assistance is available for Education, Medical Treatment and other major expenses, otherwise anticipate these items and plan how you will handle them if there is no outside help.

                                      • 2 votes
                                      Reply#7 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:14 AM EST

                                      Hey DAK-1250684, have you ever served in the military or had a family member go to war and not come back, if not shut the "F" up. Because of them you can sit on your ass and mouth off....

                                      • 3 votes
                                      #8 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:25 AM EST

                                      Don't give me that "They protect my freedoms" claptrap! Government military serve the STATE and are the very antithesis to personal freedom & liberty. For no other reason than they are funded through coercive theft. The government points a gun at my head (or implies the threat to do so) and commands me to pay up; essentially highway robbery.

                                      Nevermind that killing people in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Somalia, Libya (quite possibly sooner rather than later: Syria & Iran) does not enhance my freedom. The monolitic STATE feels threatened but the threat to my personhood is virtually nil.

                                      • 3 votes
                                      #8.1 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:37 AM EST

                                      Wow, you really believe that governments "steal" from you? How are they suppose to pay for services THAT YOU USE? That's okay, if you wish not to pay taxes, then move south to Mexico. I bet their government would LOVE the fact that you do not wish to pay taxes...

                                      By the way, you need to rethink that a threat to your personhood is virtually nil...looks like the threat is growing with each pathetic post that you make...

                                      • 4 votes
                                      #8.2 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:45 AM EST

                                      does not enhance my freedom. The monolitic STATE feels threatened but the threat to my personhood is virtually nil.

                                      I remember seeing news paper articles that said the same thing about Germany in WW1 and WW2. If I remember right that was the argument that 6 people gave against the declaration of war on Japan. Which did not include Germany because we could not. This is because German did not declare war on us. Germany's alliance with Japan was in case they were attacked not for attacking. It was a good thin for England that Japan was able to Convince Hitler that declaring war on the US would be a good thing and Japan would declare it against Russia(which they never did).

                                      • 1 vote
                                      #8.3 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:48 AM EST

                                      DAK,

                                      Please feel free to leave this country anytime you wish.

                                      • 6 votes
                                      #8.4 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:54 AM EST

                                      Dak, pak your #### and leave. There are plenty of other countries that are available so go. Today is not to soon

                                      • 6 votes
                                      #8.5 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:57 AM EST

                                      DAK,

                                      Have you ever considered suicide..traitor!

                                      • 3 votes
                                      #8.6 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 10:06 AM EST

                                      Pulse, no call for that. Dak might say some things that are disagreeable (to say the least), but no reason to use that kind of language.

                                      • 3 votes
                                      #8.7 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 10:10 AM EST

                                      Oops there it is! The tired, old 'love it or leave it' straw man argument. I like the geography where i live i just can't stand having a government claim ownership of me simply because I choose live on ground that lies within their arbitrary lines on a map.

                                      Recall that myth in high school civics class about consent of the governed? Well I don't consent so why am I still 'governed'?

                                      • 2 votes
                                      #8.8 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 10:21 AM EST

                                      That's some pretty outstanding trolling, DAK. It's a stupid hobby, posting inflammatroy rants in comment sections to see who you can rile up, but you do it really well.

                                      I guess you can be proud of that, or something...

                                      • 4 votes
                                      #8.9 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 11:34 AM EST

                                      DAK: Serious question, if you are so displeased with our government and country why don't you move. I'm not saying this to be an ass or anything, seriously, would you be happier in another country and if so ask yourself why you haven't taken the steps necessary to make yourself happier.

                                      • 6 votes
                                      #8.10 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 11:38 AM EST

                                      DAK -

                                      Please feel free to say anything you like in any forum you care to.

                                      You're welcome.

                                      • 2 votes
                                      #8.11 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 12:00 PM EST

                                      @DAK

                                      If you don't like the system then run for office and change it or just let the government push you around and do nothing

                                      as for myself I chose to do something (I retired from the army) and I feel great about that

                                      • 3 votes
                                      #8.12 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 12:41 PM EST

                                      US$50,000 per year seems like rather a lot for a 25-year-old to be making.

                                        #8.13 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 3:17 PM EST

                                        DAK in comment #8.1 is correct insofar as the "protect the freedoms of Americans" seems to be an incorrect characterization of what the military of the US does, at least with regard to how the military has been used since the War of 1812 (though one could argue that part of the military protected the rights or freedoms of some citizens in the Civil War and that the national guard, at least, helped protect freedoms after the Brown vs. Board of Education decision). "Protecting freedom," however, has a better ring than "applying force for politicians."

                                        The freedoms US citizens enjoy (and people who have lived both in the US and in other countries will know that these are not so great as most Americans believe or would have us believe) have been granted or fostered by legislators and the courts and protected mainly by the courts.

                                        (To forestall suggestions that I leave the country (yes, "love it or leave it"), note, please, that I've already done it.

                                          #8.14 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 3:18 PM EST

                                          Dak - You may be right. Perhaps we need to reinstate the draft so little POS like you can ruck-up and defend your own sorry ass.

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                                          #8.15 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 5:14 PM EST

                                          Dak... I'm a retired soldier and I for one do not mind you saying what's on your mind... dumb as it is, I do not mind. When people like you make the type of comments you've made and even the folks who condemn you, I know that my 22 years of service was worth it all... seriously I do, you and those who think like you probably don't get it, but that's why we do it.

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                                          #8.16 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 5:14 PM EST
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                                          OUr income is slightly more than 50K. It gets harder every year. Last year our health insurance premiums doubled as did our co pays on prescriptions. The price of gas has gone from $3/gal to about $3.50 in the last year. And just recently the Governor has informed us that if we dont vote yes to a sales tax increase she will be forced to cut funding for schools grades K- 12 . Im tired of paying for the rich and the poor

                                          • 2 votes
                                          Reply#9 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:27 AM EST

                                          it sounds like they are counting the benefits. my wife is an E-6 and I'm an Auto tech Our combined taxable income is 70-80K the Child care uses a calculate that includes the benefits into it and it says 119K would be our salary in the civilian world. Where we are we almost are at the top to pay for child care we pay 1290 a month for a three year old and an 18 month old. we can do this comfortably because we don't have any debts. we are going to get from my current employer a 1,200 debit card for medical supplies because we don't need health insurance.

                                            #9.1 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:59 AM EST
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                                            Petty Officer Ruediger's income is no doubt being subsidized by the Military. Consequently, his case shouldn't be considered when trying to assess a civilian's ability to live on that same 50K.

                                            Also, consider this amount, which would be a pittance in New York City, may be adequate for people living in Middle America.

                                            • 1 vote
                                            Reply#10 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:29 AM EST

                                            The 50K that is mentioned includes housing, medical, life insurance and his base pay which is $2,620.00 a month. So it's a package. Any luxuries such as phone, cable, car, etc.

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                                            #10.1 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 11:00 AM EST
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                                            Wow really DAK-1250684, what is wrong with you? The military men and women who volunteer to take a crappy paycheck and risk life and limb to protect people like you deserve more. How does people living on "Standard" welfare deserve more? Too bad you weren't born during the Vietnam era...maybe you would have learned about patriotism and taking pride in one's country...but then again you would have figured out some way to skip out to blame others...also for the record just because you serve as a "supply" guy doesn't make your life any less dangerous, Rick.

                                            • 2 votes
                                            Reply#11 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:38 AM EST

                                            I'd say being a supply guy is pretty damn important without him the guys/girls on the front lines would be screwed! Well said GFN.

                                            • 2 votes
                                            #11.1 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:58 AM EST

                                            It's a jobs program, they collect a paycheck. They do not 'serve' anymore than I 'serve'. If that is not adequate enough compensation (or gratitude) then quit and get a real job producing REAL goods & services in the economy.

                                            State-run militaries are a drain on the economy and liberty of the people.

                                            The founders were quite adamant that a standing professional military was an enemy to a free people. Unfortunately that truth has been lost on the STATE-WORSHIPING Sheeple of today.

                                            • 1 vote
                                            #11.2 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 10:35 AM EST

                                            Wow Dak.... You are twisted. So twisted that all I do now is laugh at your posts. You need to go back into the history books when you start talking about our founders. I think you need to take your meds, it's past time. The Middle East is looking for citizens. Maybe you would be more happy there. Just a thought.

                                            • 6 votes
                                            #11.3 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 11:04 AM EST

                                            DAK-

                                            You've got a little mis-information there. A standing navy was called for in the Constitution, Article 1, Section 8.

                                            • 1 vote
                                            #11.4 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 11:26 AM EST

                                            Sounds like DAK couldn't pass the pee test.........

                                            • 1 vote
                                            #11.5 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 11:29 AM EST

                                            or the ASFAB test

                                            • 2 votes
                                            #11.6 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 12:54 PM EST

                                            Look guys, DAK is obviously a troll. He's getting off on pissing us all off. Just collapse his posts.

                                              #11.7 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 5:21 PM EST
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                                              Free housing, medical insurance and Education and no commuting costs. He also doesn't have to worry about getting laid off and is guaranteed a pension, allowing him the luxury of planning ahead where most Americans these days cannot.

                                              Calling that "living on 50k per year" is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard in my life.

                                              • 1 vote
                                              Reply#12 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:40 AM EST

                                              he's only served 6 years there's no "pension"

                                              • 3 votes
                                              #12.1 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:59 AM EST

                                              He will not receive a pension since he did not serve out his 20 years. Also there is still commuting costs, unless you walk everywhere on your post or base. Also being in the military you have to worry about your physical appearance, weight, and staying in shape. Only civilian jobs that might do that are police and firefighters.

                                              • 4 votes
                                              #12.2 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:59 AM EST

                                              @JohnB:

                                              You too can have the same comforts, all you have to do is visit your local recruiter..put up or shut up!

                                              • 2 votes
                                              #12.3 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 10:09 AM EST

                                              I'm pretty sure that 50K is a combined pay, housing allowance, sea pay and comrats - adjusted for the area he's living in. Any E5 (his pay grade) making that much has to be including his military allowances in his cumulative total. After 20 years in the military my husband retired and they base your retirement on 50% of your base pay, not the additional allowances/pay you're given. That's why I'm still working to make ends meet. If he's got two kids, he should seriously reconsider his idea of getting out unless he has a job already lined up - the insurance alone makes it more than worth it to stay in depsite the deployments.

                                              • 4 votes
                                              #12.4 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 1:52 PM EST

                                              BTW... I think the military does layoff now too. I remember seeing this on the news about a year or so ago. So no job is truly secure any more, government, state or otherwise...

                                              • 1 vote
                                              #12.5 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 2:20 PM EST

                                              Pat, Amen to that. That is one reason I am staying in, that and the fact that I have 12 in already and might as well finish my 20. Man I hope they don't mess with the retirement.

                                              • 3 votes
                                              #12.6 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 2:28 PM EST

                                              JustaGrunt,

                                              Sorry to say,but count on it that they will mess with you. for the simple reason the money supply is running dry,and our economy shot to hell, so there is no other way out for our big leaders then to go after you and me.

                                                #12.7 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 3:24 PM EST

                                                I know, but is not like everyone in the military gets the pension.

                                                  #12.8 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 3:30 PM EST

                                                  Blade, the military does layoff, it's called downsizing. It was done in the eighties. Alot of people who had been in for a long time but not ready for retirement were just let go. When we do bring all our troops home from the middleeast, it's going to happen again. They won't need all the troops they have now.

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                                                  #12.9 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 3:59 PM EST

                                                  There is no guarantee of a pension in the military. Ten percent of the military retire at +20 years. You can be RIFFED at any time. You will get VA benefits nevertheless.

                                                  The military is composed of many fine folks. Many think that the military is overpaid. They are well-paid and have better living facilities but the cameraderie is not as high as when I served.

                                                  Having kids in the military is good because many military brats like John Denver succeed at other things while many military kids join up as adults.

                                                  Military health care is not the best but it is adequate. I served as a physician associate and found my cohorts to be quite caring. I actually enlisted during the early 1970s when science majors weren't in demand. I came in for the training that the military gave. I made the right choice.

                                                    #12.10 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 4:12 PM EST

                                                    They are downsizing it has already started happening. You can have 11 years in and be given a pink slip. Also I am sure he has commuting cost the Coronado base is huge. As for free insurance my husband basically only gets that. Myself and my children have to see civilian doctors since the military doctors are so full. So we indure cost not alot I can't complain. As for dental we pay for ours again only my husbands is free.

                                                    We live in base housing and I don't consider it free. We get BAH monthly and we never see it. As for education I have been looking into going back to school and it is NOT paid for. They have nearly gotten rid of tuition assistance for military. There are benefits but with those come the downside also. I am very proud of my husband and what he does.

                                                      #12.11 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 11:27 AM EST
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                                                      $50K salary and $50K of annual benefits. Not bad for a grunt.

                                                        Reply#13 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:41 AM EST

                                                        the 50K salary includes the value of the benefits, not plus the benefits.

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                                                        #13.1 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 12:13 PM EST

                                                        Bighorn,

                                                        Where did you see that he gets 50K in salary. If you want to know what a military member makes per month, Google it. Our paychecks are public record.

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                                                        #13.2 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 2:32 PM EST
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                                                        One tour in the sandbox 16 months $16,000 combat pay two tours $32,000 you get the picture. Forgot to mention that, Now learn how to become a Malingerer just find someone on base with a DV plate on their BMW they will teach you. Hint (May require Long waits at your local Va Hospital) What a Joke..!

                                                          Reply#14 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:48 AM EST

                                                          I've never been in the military, and I don't like our government's policy of perpetual war, and I found the invasion of Iraq particularly distasteful. But I do believe that the men and women who serve need to be well compensated, and that there should never, ever be such a thing as a homeless veteran. If we are going to live in a society that fosters warfare, we should at least treat those who serve with the utmost dignity, and make sure that they are provided for, both during their time of service, and well beyond. From the some of the comments I'm reading I'm not sure that is happening across the board.

                                                          • 11 votes
                                                          Reply#15 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:50 AM EST

                                                          Well said Chuck, thank you.

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                                                          #15.1 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 11:06 AM EST

                                                          Thank you Chuck. Too bad the country didn't feel that way 45 years ago. I believe the homeless vet count is hovering around 185,000 last VA estimate I read.

                                                            #15.2 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 5:27 PM EST
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                                                            That family is in for a real shock when he gets into civilian life. There's not an abundance of high-paying supply clerk positions available, and there's an over supply of web designers. When they have to pay full price for things like rent/house payment, medical insurance, and food, they will find out just how far a dollar goes, or doesn't go. They have two kids, have "put off" having another. I don't think they have a clue.

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                                                            Reply#16 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:53 AM EST

                                                            They never will. They will have USAA and if they are smart they will self employ and enjoy 'veteran owned' bid preference with GSA, using her double minority status to land the bids at higher prices than any civilian company ever could.

                                                            The future could only be bright. They'd have to bat the insulated opportunities away in order to fail. Of course, I wish them the best.

                                                              #16.1 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 10:15 AM EST

                                                              Ofcource this guy is in for a shocker ,he has absolutely no idea how hard it is to work in a civilian job and find one that payed him $50 K a year, then have to pay a hefty price for medical insurance for the family and housing cost transportation,still the $15-$35 cash co pay at the doctors office ec,ec. have to take care of his own pension plan if he can affort this,that sheltered live for him in the militairy is over,but if he hangs in there like I did he can make it with a little luck,here again he is on his own and he better realised this,it's tuff out here. But good luck anyway.

                                                                #16.2 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 3:57 PM EST

                                                                Come on Harry--you can at least use the built-in spellchecker when you write a posting....god-awful!

                                                                  #16.3 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 2:52 AM EST
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                                                                  Geeze Dak. Yeah if I was looking for a free ride Id enlist. Its what all the slackers are doing. So much easier than collecting welfare. Right

                                                                    Reply#17 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 10:00 AM EST

                                                                    People like this have turned the military into just another welfare safety net; it's partly why our military is so expensive to maintain. If the military wanted you to have a family they would've issued you one!!!

                                                                    • 1 vote
                                                                    Reply#18 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 10:05 AM EST

                                                                    Spoken like someone who has never served.

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                                                                    #18.1 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 2:33 PM EST

                                                                    If the military wanted you to have a family they would've issued you one!!!

                                                                    Actually, some do, sort of. I was active duty when my husband and I married. We were married in Germany and part of the requirement to marry where we were was written permission from our commander.

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                                                                    #18.2 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 2:52 PM EST

                                                                    bmx mom-902413

                                                                    If the military wanted you to have a family they would've issued you one!!!

                                                                    Actually, some do, sort of. I was active duty when my husband and I married. We were married in Germany and part of the requirement to marry where we were was written permission from our commander.

                                                                    So stick that in your pipe and smoke it booya!

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                                                                    #18.3 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 3:50 AM EST
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                                                                    for some of you morons a 2nd degree petty officer is a enlisted man he is not a commissioned officer

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                                                                    Reply#19 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 10:06 AM EST

                                                                    No need for that, most people who are not associated with the military do not know that. They see the word officer in a title and make a guess.

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                                                                    #19.1 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 2:35 PM EST
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                                                                    gees hate when people whine about how hard it is to live off 50k a yearopr there of ...my wife and I with 3 kids get no help from the state make 40k a year between the both of us. 1 car is 10 years old other is over 15 yrs old ...live within your budget dumbass or get another job..

                                                                    • 3 votes
                                                                    Reply#20 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 10:07 AM EST

                                                                    Do you deploy to hostile countries? Do you work up to 24 hrs a day? Do you leave your family for years at a time?

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                                                                    #20.1 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 11:27 AM EST

                                                                    You forgot 1: Do I choose to do this of my own free will? Serving in the military is a job. Not any different from walking a dog for money.

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                                                                    #20.2 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 12:05 PM EST

                                                                    It's a little different than walking a dog for money.

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                                                                    #20.3 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 12:13 PM EST

                                                                    Complete a task get paid, pretty simple concept. A job is a game you play everyday.

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                                                                    #20.4 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 12:40 PM EST
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