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    17
    Mar
    2012
    8:37am, EDT

    Life Inc. project honored as among Best in Business

    By Martin Wolk

    TODAY.com's Life Inc. blog is being honored with one of the top awards in business journalism Saturday for its 2011 special report “We are the Median.”

    Our series, by lead writer Allison Linn, lead multimedia producer Jim Seida, and multimedia producers John Makely and John Brecher, has been awarded a Best in Business award from the Society of American Business Editors and Writers.

    The series explored varied experiences of people living on the nation’s median household income of $50,000 a year. For some, $50,000 a year was plenty, but many others were struggling to get by.

    This series was inspired by you, the readers of Life Inc., who responded by the hundreds when we asked you about your experience of living on the nation's median income. When you connect with us to share your experiences and concerns about money and the economy, that helps us do a better job as journalists.

    We love to hear from you, so please comment below, connect with us on Facebook or send us an old-fashioned email.

     

    1 comment

    Congratulations. I followed that series with interest -- you earned that honor!

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  • 16
    Dec
    2011
    7:40am, EST

    The week's buzz: We aren't the median

    Brandon Thibodeaux for msnbc.com

    Megan and Sam Moss, pictured here with their baby daughter Mary Margaret, are living on the nation's median household income of around $50,000 a year.

    By Allison Linn

     

    For the last couple of weeks, Life Inc. has been exploring what it’s like to be in the exact midpoint of the nation’s economic spectrum.

    The We are the median project prompted thousands of readers to share their stories and thoughts on what it’s like for to live on the nation’s household median income of around $50,000 a year. And it also prompted lots of you to tell us about what it’s like to be much worse off.

    Many readers told us they can only hope to bring home $50,000 a year.

    “$50,000 would be great to make a year. Single mom with 2 kids and I bring home less than $35,000. Took a cut in hours to keep my job,” one reader wrote in response to our profile of a mom and son who are struggling with a drop in income.

    Another profile, of a young couple bringing home around $50,000 a year and juggling high student loan bills, also prompted some to tell us that people need to pay more attention to those who have it much worse.

    “Why is this news? We make less than $27K, I have over $80K in student debt. My dream is a nightmare and we are family of 4,” one reader wrote.

    Although some readers told us they are doing just fine on incomes below $50,000 a year, others said it’s very hard to make ends meet on a lower income. In a post this week about a family choosing to live a very simple life on about $20,000 a year, many readers questioned whether low-income living is really “living well.” 

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    But some found the story inspirational.

    “It's gratifying to hear stories of real people. I applaud this young family and see their lot improving, over time. My husband and I struggled in our early life, with young children and little money. … Our kids are not scarred because of this, they are all hard working, successful contributors to society. We have always had to be smart about our money and now that we have more, we are still frugal,” one commenter wrote.

    Apparently that’s not a lesson many parents are passing on to their children. In a post about a young couple getting a good financial start in life, about 40 percent of our readers said they hadn't learned much from their parents about how to manage money.

    “My parents didn't tell me anything about budgeting. It's a hard lesson I now know and am passing this on to my kids,” one reader wrote.

    How much would you have to bring home to be free of money worries? More than half of our readers said they would have to make $250,000 or more per year in order to feel rich.

    For some, the more money, the better.

    “As much as possible. You're never secure in this country unless you are the 1%,” one reader wrote.

    Still, some readers said they would settle for much less.

    “I would be thrilled with that (to me) mythical $50,000 per year..........!” one reader wrote.

    What's the minimum annual income your household could live on?

     

    Results with 53 short comments
    Total of 2,366 votes - click on the "Display Comments" bar below to sort comments

    21.6%
    $30,000 a year
    511 votes
    24.4%
    $50,000 a year
    577 votes
    28.2%
    $70,000 a year
    667 votes
    25.8%
    $100,000 a year
    611 votes
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    $50,000 a year

    We can (and do) live on about $50K. We do have a retirement IRA to draw from if we need more for a "splurge."

      #1
       - bluegrassguitar
       - 8:05 am EST on Fri Dec 16, 2011
      $50,000 a year

      $50,000 would be wonderful--ensuring living a fairly comfortable lifestyle without worries about winter heating cost or needing a new tire.

        #2
         - JoannaK
         - 8:14 am EST on Fri Dec 16, 2011
        $70,000 a year

        anything less and we can't afford our student loan bills plus the high rents in the seacoast NH area

          #3
           - brian-397693
           - 8:23 am EST on Fri Dec 16, 2011
          $30,000 a year

          I could live on it by cutting out all luxuries minus the internet I need for my job.

            #4
             - Monkeynucleosis
             - 8:57 am EST on Fri Dec 16, 2011
            $30,000 a year

            Why is 30k the lowest. I live great on less than that because I have both my houses paid off and cars. I owe nothing. That is the key.

            • 8 votes
            #5
             - 1wizard
             - 9:42 am EST on Fri Dec 16, 2011
            $50,000 a year

            I make less than that but 50K would give some room to at least go see a movie every now and then.

            • 1 vote
            #6
             - lalia
             - 9:58 am EST on Fri Dec 16, 2011
            $100,000 a year

            To have any shot at retirement you need to make at least $100k, otherwise impossible to max out all of the retirement accounts

            • 1 vote
            #7
             - harrison-4083307
             - 10:21 am EST on Fri Dec 16, 2011
            $30,000 a year

            It isn't important to know wht we can do without. What is important to remember is why we have to do without and it is no fault of our own.

              #8
               - Keith-1952
               - 10:42 am EST on Fri Dec 16, 2011
              $30,000 a year

              We are doing it right now - we live off my husband's pension, just over $30,000/yr. I also make $50,000/yr, but we bank my paychecks.

                #9
                 - Ellen-3912729
                 - 10:55 am EST on Fri Dec 16, 2011
                $100,000 a year

                With 3 kids in college, an underwater mortgage (can't sell) and child support, I need 100K. Anything less and I'd be in foreclosure. Hmmm..

                • 2 votes
                #10
                 - Jim-4618800
                 - 11:10 am EST on Fri Dec 16, 2011
                $30,000 a year

                Actually less than that. I live on less than 20,000. I can't save and I watch every penny, I can budget so can my daughter.

                • 2 votes
                #11
                 - Anne Marie-3408952
                 - 11:14 am EST on Fri Dec 16, 2011
                $30,000 a year

                We are fortunate, no kids, minimum debt, simple needs and we have a little put by for when the rain comes.

                • 1 vote
                #12
                 - Kate-344962
                 - 11:40 am EST on Fri Dec 16, 2011
                $30,000 a year

                We could live on $30,000 but it would be a spartan existence. Wouldn't be able to eat healthy on that.

                • 1 vote
                #13
                 - Southamptonherps
                 - 11:41 am EST on Fri Dec 16, 2011
                $100,000 a year

                House payments alone of 40K/year. And this was the cheapest house in a bad area, bought on short sale.

                • 1 vote
                #14
                 - DougM
                 - 12:01 pm EST on Fri Dec 16, 2011
                $50,000 a year

                $50k=+/-$2800/mo. Mortgage=$1600, Insurance=$400, Electric, Water, Heat=$400, Gas=$200, Food=$200 - If we sucked it it, $50k may get us by

                  #15
                   - Will-1091847
                   - 12:15 pm EST on Fri Dec 16, 2011
                  $70,000 a year

                  I could *finally* afford to move out of my parents' home & pay all my bills each month without living paycheck to paycheck! I can dream...

                  • 1 vote
                  #16
                   - Connecticutian
                   - 12:22 pm EST on Fri Dec 16, 2011
                  $30,000 a year

                  I took a major pay cut to go back to school and kept my expenses low ever since. No debt except for my mortgage.

                  • 1 vote
                  #17
                   - RAWilliams1974
                   - 12:34 pm EST on Fri Dec 16, 2011
                  $50,000 a year

                  Mortgage has to be paid off. Thank God it will be in a few years! However, this will only cover the bear essensials - no extras

                    #18
                     - Maria F
                     - 12:40 pm EST on Fri Dec 16, 2011
                    $30,000 a year

                    I could survive on 30k and just have food, clothing, shelter, transportation and phone. I don't have to but I could.

                      #19
                       - lady-1166647
                       - 1:01 pm EST on Fri Dec 16, 2011
                      $30,000 a year

                      $30,000, but that would be 'close to the bone' & mean no more saving for retirement. A scary thought.

                        #20
                         - deb-oh-rah
                         - 1:12 pm EST on Fri Dec 16, 2011
                        $30,000 a year

                        I thought this series was a little out of touch. With so many rich skewing it upward, there are far more that would be thrilled with 50k

                          #21
                           - LB-3426829
                           - 1:18 pm EST on Fri Dec 16, 2011
                          $50,000 a year

                          A dollar saved is MORE than a dollar earned. There's no withholding!

                            #22
                             - Lost in Time2
                             - 1:29 pm EST on Fri Dec 16, 2011
                            $30,000 a year

                            I can surive on $30,000.00 but I would not call it living. To just get by is not what America is about.

                            • 1 vote
                            #23
                             - Paul-991174
                             - 1:30 pm EST on Fri Dec 16, 2011
                            $100,000 a year

                            Mortgage, Utilities, Taxes, etc.

                            • 1 vote
                            #24
                             - zoobeaast
                             - 1:37 pm EST on Fri Dec 16, 2011
                            $30,000 a year

                            We might end up renting out a room or downsizing our housing, but we (4) could live on less than $30k. Done it before. . .

                              #25
                               - Miker-3057253
                               - 1:38 pm EST on Fri Dec 16, 2011
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                              41 comments

                              I wonder.... If $50,000 is the median income for all Americans, what would the median income be if you excluded the so-called 1%? Their incomes are so astronomical that it must skew the median somewhat.

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                            • 15
                              Dec
                              2011
                              7:45am, EST

                              We are the Median: Faces and voices from the series

                              By Allison Linn

                              For the past two weeks, TODAY.com’s Life Inc. blog has been exploring what it’s like to live on the nation’s median household income of about $50,000 a year: Not rich, not poor, but rather in the exact midpoint of the nation’s income spectrum.

                              To conclude the series, we asked the people we interviewed to tell us, on video and in their own words, a bit about what it’s like to be part of the median. Here’s what they had to say:

                              For some, a household income of around $50,000 a year is enough to live comfortably with a large family. For others, it’s not enough to cover rent and utilities.

                              Many people living on around $50,000 a year told us that they are doing fine, but not great. They can cover their bills and feed their families, but there is little leftover for an emergency car repair or a family vacation.

                              How well a household can do on $50,000 a year depends on a number of factors: Where you live, how large your family is, how well you’ve budgeted and what kind of financial curveballs you’ve been thrown.

                              More on this series:

                              Click here to see previous stories in our "We are the median" series. We’re also sharing our thoughts — and yours — on Twitter (hashtag #median), Facebook and Google Plus. We invite you to comment on our posts — but keep it civil and on topic, please!

                               

                              

                              27 comments

                              Now that you interviewed the "Median", how about you interview the majority!! Which just happens to be the poor, please don't mention anyone that is receiving government assistance, since that would mean that I, a working person, am paying for their food.

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                            • 14
                              Dec
                              2011
                              1:13pm, EST

                              Msnbc.com's Allison Linn on 'We Are the Median' series

                              Msnbc.com’s Allison Linn joined us for a live web chat Wednesday to discuss her recent “We Are the Median” series of stories about families living on around $50,000 a year.

                              Here’s one of her answers to questions from the live chat. (See below for the full Q&A.)

                              Marlet Jones asked:

                              “Do you believe that $50,000 a year is a sufficient wage for Americans everywhere in America?”

                              Allison replied:

                              “Hi Marlet - great question! One thing we learned from this series is that a living wage definitely varies depending on where you live. For example, we profiled one woman in the series who couldn't afford her rent on around $50k in New York, while a family of six in Utah was doing just fine.”

                              If you have a question for our TODAY Money experts, submit it here. 

                              To sign up for an e-mail reminder for our next chat, click here.

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                            • 14
                              Dec
                              2011
                              7:25am, EST

                              We are the median: Burdened by student loan debt

                              Brandon Thibodeaux for msnbc.com

                              Samuel and Megan Moss stand in their kitchen with their 10-month-old daughter, Mary Margaret, at their apartment in Plano, Texas.

                              By Allison Linn

                              With careful budgeting, Sam and Megan Moss are able to get by on their combined salaries of about $50,000 a year.

                              But the couple is weighed down by around $110,000 in student loan debt that Sam, now 28, accrued while they were students at University of Mississippi.

                              Megan, 25, says they don’t want their 10-month-old daughter, Mary Margaret, to be burdened by such high debt when she goes to college. That’s one reason the Plano, Texas, couple is unsure whether they will have more children.

                              “I would love for her to have siblings … but I don’t see us being able to afford it,” Megan said.

                              Megan works full-time in sales for a hotel company, while Sam is in the mortgage industry.

                              What's it like to live on around $50,000 a year?

                              It is a challenge. It definitely takes planning and budgeting to make everything work.

                              How has the weak economy affected your finances?

                              We have been affected simply through the rising cost of living. Everything is more expensive, from gas to groceries to utilities.

                              Do you worry about money?

                              I'm not worried about the everyday, for example not being able to put food on the table or buy diapers or gas, but I worry about emergencies.  I worry that our cars, which are both older models, might give out on us and we don't have the extra cash flow to fix (them). I worry about something happening to one of us that makes us unable to work, or in some way negatively affects our job situation.

                              What are your biggest expenses?

                              Our biggest expenses are rent, student loan payments and daycare. We pay about $550 a month on Sam’s student loan payments. Our daycare bill every month is close to $800; it is a mortgage payment for some people.

                              We could probably find a cheaper apartment to live in, but it is worth it to us to pay a little bit more and not have to worry about the neighborhood we live in, or commute too far to work. We both drive less than three miles to work every day.

                              What do you splurge on?

                              We splurge on our cable, because it is our entertainment. And occasionally we will go to a movie or out with friends if my parents are available and willing to watch the baby for us. We also splurge on stuff for the baby.

                              Brandon Thibodeaux for msnbc.com

                              The Moss family

                              What kind of debt do you have, and do you find it hard to pay off your loans or other debts?

                              Sam has student loan debt, quite a bit of it. It averages out to about a $500+ monthly payment.

                               I am lucky enough to have a grandfather who is generous enough to pay for my education (as well as my three brothers and my cousins). It was (and still is) the best gift I have ever been given, other than my daughter. I don't know if I will ever be able to fully thank him or show him enough gratitude for what he has done for me.

                              We also have (around $2500 of) credit card debt that we got into while I was on maternity leave for three months. We pay minimum monthly payments for those every month, and plan to use our tax refund to pay those down completely.

                              Are you able to save money for the future?

                              Right now, unfortunately, we are not able to. We have plans though to put the money that has been going to credit card payments into a savings account when we pay those off. 

                              What are you most proud of in terms of your financial situation?

                              We own both of our cars. We have steady jobs, with growth potential in the near future.

                               Are there any financial mistakes you think you've made?

                               I’d say our biggest mistake is not saving the money we had to spare before the baby was born. We didn’t plan as well as we would have liked, financially, before her birth. Hindsight is always 20/20, though.

                              Over the next few years, do you expect things to get better or worse for you financially?

                              I hope things will get better for us. We both have the potential for growth in our careers, and we are lucky enough to work in companies that offer those opportunities.

                              Right now, I would say we are on the right path for success. However, Sam’s loans are on an adjustable rate, and when rates go back up it could really make things more difficult.

                              More on this series:

                              Click here to see previous stories in our "We are the median" series. We’re also sharing our thoughts — and yours — on Twitter (hashtag #median), Facebook and Google Plus. We invite you to comment on our posts — but keep it civil and on topic, please!

                               

                              Are you carrying student loan debt?

                               

                              Results with 137 short comments
                              Total of 9,935 votes - click on the "Display Comments" bar below to sort comments

                              33.5%
                              Yes, but my education was worth it
                              3,332 votes
                              39.4%
                              Yes, and it's a financial burden that I regret
                              3,914 votes
                              27.1%
                              No
                              2,689 votes
                              Display Comments:
                              No

                              How can 1 person accrue $110,000 in 4 yrs of college. Did he not save $.01 for college or work while going to college?

                              • 17 votes
                              #26
                               - sent 5 to college
                               - 8:02 am EST on Wed Dec 14, 2011
                              No

                              Quit whinning. Some students have loans to repay and don't have $50,000 coming in. Get real and be grateful you have income.

                              • 13 votes
                              #27
                               - Pat from Wisconsin
                               - 8:04 am EST on Wed Dec 14, 2011
                              Yes, but my education was worth it

                              We are carrying a loan for our daughter's bachelor's degree and she is carrying a loan for her master's degree. It is worth it.

                              • 7 votes
                              #28
                               - Liz-561790
                               - 8:10 am EST on Wed Dec 14, 2011
                              No

                              You make choices in life, and you need to take responsibility. I had student loans, took years to pay off. Was worth it in the end.

                              • 13 votes
                              #29
                               - life.is.hard
                               - 8:13 am EST on Wed Dec 14, 2011
                              No

                              We paid for both our sons' educations. Sent them to state school; could not afford private. Aide offered for private after we paid $20K+.

                              • 1 vote
                              #30
                               - Linda Brown
                               - 8:21 am EST on Wed Dec 14, 2011
                              No

                              If one doesn't want to be saddled with student loan debt - don't take the loan in the first place.

                              • 10 votes
                              #31
                               - Cavsoldier-3118725
                               - 8:28 am EST on Wed Dec 14, 2011
                              No

                              Never went to college.

                                #32
                                 - Lovely-2035151
                                 - 8:28 am EST on Wed Dec 14, 2011
                                No

                                I took out student loans but paid them off at double and triple the monthly payments right away while I was childless & unmarried.

                                • 12 votes
                                #33
                                 - Lee-1515484
                                 - 8:31 am EST on Wed Dec 14, 2011
                                Yes, and it's a financial burden that I regret

                                Why is this news? We make less than 27K, I have over 80K in student debt. My dream is a nightmare and we are family of 4.

                                • 10 votes
                                #34
                                 - Amy-4748040
                                 - 8:36 am EST on Wed Dec 14, 2011
                                No

                                I was given an education before I went to college. I new what I could afford before taking any loans and worked to avoid them.

                                • 10 votes
                                #35
                                 - workinghardeveryday
                                 - 8:37 am EST on Wed Dec 14, 2011
                                Yes, but my education was worth it

                                Even though it is not fun to pay for, no way I could make this kind of money without a college degree. $11k to go

                                • 8 votes
                                #36
                                 - Cashonfire
                                 - 8:37 am EST on Wed Dec 14, 2011
                                Yes, but my education was worth it

                                I am sorry, but what kind of $110,000 education lands you a job where you need another full time job to reach $50k income?

                                • 17 votes
                                #37
                                 - Steve-2057180
                                 - 8:52 am EST on Wed Dec 14, 2011
                                No

                                Walk to work??? Or they could carpool and leave one car home. Save lots of money that could be used for debt payments and savings.

                                • 10 votes
                                #38
                                 - bfarr
                                 - 8:57 am EST on Wed Dec 14, 2011
                                Yes, but my education was worth it

                                The cost of education has sky rocketed. For those that did not have the $35/year tuition to criticize others is amazing.

                                • 6 votes
                                #39
                                 - bencas
                                 - 9:14 am EST on Wed Dec 14, 2011
                                Yes, but my education was worth it

                                We are living on less than $50k, but we use our "spending" money on greater loan payments. $800 for daycare?!?! Find a sitter instead!

                                • 5 votes
                                #40
                                 - dassala
                                 - 9:15 am EST on Wed Dec 14, 2011
                                Yes, but my education was worth it

                                They can repossess everything I own, but no one can ever take my education away from me.

                                • 10 votes
                                #41
                                 - Kelly-505114
                                 - 9:18 am EST on Wed Dec 14, 2011
                                No

                                No, parents paid, but if not I would have had at most 40K in loans and would have paid that off in 3 years so it would have been worth it.

                                • 1 vote
                                #42
                                 - Hamster1
                                 - 9:19 am EST on Wed Dec 14, 2011
                                No

                                I was lucky that my parents saved for my education before I was even born. It paid off my student debt. If I had it, I'd be struggling more

                                  #43
                                   - Monkeynucleosis
                                   - 9:21 am EST on Wed Dec 14, 2011
                                  No

                                  I got Uncle Sam to pay for college by offering up years of service. Best decisions I ever made

                                  • 13 votes
                                  #44
                                   - phoenix316
                                   - 9:23 am EST on Wed Dec 14, 2011
                                  No

                                  It is sad to see this recurring story of people accruing enormous amounts of student debt so irresponsibly. $110k for undergrad?WTF!

                                  • 8 votes
                                  #45
                                   - Wisdoc
                                   - 9:23 am EST on Wed Dec 14, 2011
                                  No

                                  14 years later and I finally paid off my student loans last year. Happiest moment of my life was knowing that my education was mine at last

                                  • 6 votes
                                  #46
                                   - Maleko-1182530
                                   - 9:24 am EST on Wed Dec 14, 2011
                                  No

                                  I attended and paid for college while working full time. If you can't afford it, pay-as-you-go (like I did) or save and attend later

                                  • 11 votes
                                  #47
                                   - SpryLynnx
                                   - 9:26 am EST on Wed Dec 14, 2011
                                  Yes, and it's a financial burden that I regret

                                  I'll never regret my BA in English, but law school was a huge mistake. The profession is flooded with disillusioned, unhappy attorneys.

                                  • 6 votes
                                  #48
                                   - D. Murphy-4263811
                                   - 9:33 am EST on Wed Dec 14, 2011
                                  No

                                  They will use next year's tax refund for credit card debt? Smarter to tell their payroll offices to take out less taxes now & pay the card

                                  • 8 votes
                                  #49
                                   - Dave Ford
                                   - 9:37 am EST on Wed Dec 14, 2011
                                  Yes, but my education was worth it

                                  Almost done with AA (2-year) degree and I haven't even accumulated 5% of the $110,000 debt that Sam has.Community college is the way to go.

                                  • 16 votes
                                  #50
                                   - Red To Fire
                                   - 9:42 am EST on Wed Dec 14, 2011
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                                  First two years of college is nothing more than advanced high school...can't even touch courses that would be your major. SO, our son attended a community college near home...got the B.S. courses out of the way then junior year went to University of Georgia. Kept his grades at a healthy 3.6...and ma …

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                                • 13
                                  Dec
                                  2011
                                  7:45am, EST

                                  What does it take to be rich? About $150k, apparently

                                  By Allison Linn

                                  How much would you have to make to consider yourself rich?

                                  For many Americans, $150,000 is the magic number.

                                  A new Gallup poll finds that the median annual income Americans would want to earn to consider themselves rich is $150,000.

                                  That’s about three times the actual median household income of the United States, which is currently around $50,000 a year. (Life Inc. has been chronicling what it’s like to live on the midpoint of the nation's household income spectrum in a series called We are the median.)

                                  The amount you actually make plays a big role in how much you’d want to make to consider yourself rich.

                                  The Gallup pollsters found that households making less than $50,000 a year would want to earn $100,000 to consider themselves rich.

                                  For households bringing in more than $50,000 a year, the median income needed to feel rich was $200,000 a year.

                                  When it comes to net worth, Americans want to be millionaires.

                                  Gallup found that the median amount of savings, real estate holdings and other investments Americans would want to have in the bank in order to feel rich was $1 million.

                                  The Gallup survey of about 1,000 people was conducted a couple weeks ago.

                                  Related:

                                  When it comes to income, what percent are you?

                                  How much would you have to earn per year to feel rich?

                                  Results with 153 short comments
                                  Total of 25,645 votes - click on the "Display Comments" bar below to sort comments

                                  4.7%
                                  Under $100,000
                                  1,211 votes
                                  8.5%
                                  $100,000
                                  2,177 votes
                                  9.7%
                                  $150,000
                                  2,481 votes
                                  14.5%
                                  $200,000
                                  3,713 votes
                                  62.6%
                                  $250,000 or more
                                  16,063 votes
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                                  Under $100,000

                                  I would be thrilled with that (to me) mythical $50,000 per year..........!

                                  • 7 votes
                                  #51
                                   - JoannaK
                                   - 8:05 am EST on Tue Dec 13, 2011
                                  $150,000

                                  Medical illness however bankrupts too many in this country. The core problem is our diets.

                                  • 3 votes
                                  #52
                                   - AmericansAtWar
                                   - 8:28 am EST on Tue Dec 13, 2011
                                  $150,000

                                  Basic expenses, plus a few luxuries like a new car every 10 years, would be enough.

                                  • 3 votes
                                  #53
                                   - Mackle-1301355
                                   - 8:40 am EST on Tue Dec 13, 2011
                                  $150,000

                                  50% to taxes & retirement savings, 50% to live on

                                  • 2 votes
                                  #54
                                   - khn
                                   - 8:50 am EST on Tue Dec 13, 2011
                                  $250,000 or more

                                  Well, in Manhattan, $250,000 is "middle class" ...it's all relative...

                                  • 9 votes
                                  #55
                                   - Caligula-1763025
                                   - 8:52 am EST on Tue Dec 13, 2011
                                  $250,000 or more

                                  At age 63, lost everything, to catch up to have $ to retire, need at least 250K for the few working years left.

                                  • 7 votes
                                  #56
                                   - Milly-855336
                                   - 8:53 am EST on Tue Dec 13, 2011
                                  $100,000

                                  If you manage your money correctly, 100k a year would allow you to live like a king. Own a modest house, pay bills, and vacation!

                                  • 17 votes
                                  #57
                                   - Alfonso A
                                   - 9:01 am EST on Tue Dec 13, 2011
                                  Under $100,000

                                  I'm single, so $150K a year would be a waste. I could live quite happily on 75-90K.

                                  • 6 votes
                                  #58
                                   - B Murphy
                                   - 9:03 am EST on Tue Dec 13, 2011
                                  $250,000 or more

                                  It depends on where you live (or want to live). $200 has you living like a king in Iowa, just getting by in San Francisco.

                                  • 11 votes
                                  #59
                                   - 335guy
                                   - 9:05 am EST on Tue Dec 13, 2011
                                  $250,000 or more

                                  Currently $100k to support family of 4 as sole breadwinner in midwest is still pretty tight.

                                  • 5 votes
                                  #60
                                   - Jason MO
                                   - 9:19 am EST on Tue Dec 13, 2011
                                  $200,000

                                  I live in France so there is very little unexpected expenses (medical, mechanic) and almost no chance I could lose my job.

                                  • 3 votes
                                  #61
                                   - Dem in Texas-2291575
                                   - 9:21 am EST on Tue Dec 13, 2011
                                  $100,000

                                  $100k would be perfect. I could afford to start making repairs to my house, pay all my bills and look for a new car to replace my orphan ca

                                  • 5 votes
                                  #62
                                   - Arelem-1308047
                                   - 9:21 am EST on Tue Dec 13, 2011
                                  $250,000 or more

                                  Stupid Question!Way to many variables to answer. People do not even know what the spend a week in all taxes.Try to figure it out. bet u can

                                    #63
                                     - bobyoung-1427396
                                     - 9:22 am EST on Tue Dec 13, 2011
                                    $250,000 or more

                                    Living in an expensive area...suppose if We lived in a rural area it would be much less

                                      #64
                                       - Wow-3058090
                                       - 9:24 am EST on Tue Dec 13, 2011
                                      $250,000 or more

                                      200k to 300k would make me feel "securely" rich.

                                      • 2 votes
                                      #65
                                       - Radical 1
                                       - 9:27 am EST on Tue Dec 13, 2011
                                      $250,000 or more

                                      While my household is definitely better off than most, until our savings/debt level reverses, I won't really feel that rich.

                                      • 2 votes
                                      #66
                                       - Jason-3270257
                                       - 9:35 am EST on Tue Dec 13, 2011
                                      Under $100,000

                                      If I made 40,000 a year I'd be able to buy what ever I wanted.

                                      • 3 votes
                                      #67
                                       - Phil Johnson
                                       - 9:35 am EST on Tue Dec 13, 2011
                                      $250,000 or more

                                      Rich. Not just well-off. There's a big difference in my mind. Rich is flying to Europe for dinner. You don't do that on $150,000/yr.

                                      • 9 votes
                                      #68
                                       - Miker-3057253
                                       - 9:39 am EST on Tue Dec 13, 2011
                                      $200,000

                                      $150K is a lot in Kansas, but it is lower-middle-class in Manhattan where 500 square feet costs $2500/month.

                                      • 3 votes
                                      #69
                                       - IlliniProgrammer
                                       - 9:48 am EST on Tue Dec 13, 2011
                                      $200,000

                                      That's about $50,000 more than we need to keep the house and the business going. It would allow savings, a true luxury!

                                      • 1 vote
                                      #70
                                       - Dianne-745697
                                       - 9:56 am EST on Tue Dec 13, 2011
                                      $150,000

                                      I agree with the $150k mark. That's a little above what my wife and I make combined, and reaching it would take care of financial security

                                      • 1 vote
                                      #71
                                       - Cygnus_X-1
                                       - 10:01 am EST on Tue Dec 13, 2011
                                      $250,000 or more

                                      A million dollars isn't much anymore, you need 2 mil to retire comfortably

                                      • 4 votes
                                      #72
                                       - outhere-576368
                                       - 10:27 am EST on Tue Dec 13, 2011
                                      Under $100,000

                                      Being single, anything above my current wages would be considered rich!

                                        #73
                                         - chth
                                         - 10:32 am EST on Tue Dec 13, 2011
                                        $100,000

                                        I couldn't even imagine earning 100k a year. Paid off house, IRA savings, no worries... amazing to think that some make tens of millions.

                                        • 3 votes
                                        #74
                                         - peteMT
                                         - 10:37 am EST on Tue Dec 13, 2011
                                        $150,000

                                        150K. I wouldn't feel like Trump or Gates, but that would be the sweet spot to be comfortable with few worries.

                                        • 5 votes
                                        #75
                                         - JSledge
                                         - 10:44 am EST on Tue Dec 13, 2011
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                                        103 comments

                                        Another skewed poll. Depends on how you manage your money, make life decisions.

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                                      • 13
                                        Dec
                                        2011
                                        7:35am, EST

                                        We are the median: Mom and son scrimp and plan to get by

                                        Nathan Weber for msnbc.com

                                        Mark Dominas, 46 and his mother Connie, 77, live together in a house they purchased about four years ago as part of an investment and a way to conserve money.

                                        By Allison Linn

                                        Mark Dominas, 46, and his mom, Constance, 77, share a home in Zion, Ill. Mark’s business as a real estate photographer has dropped off sharply in recent years, leaving him more dependent on his part-time job as an overnight operations supervisor for UPS. Between his earnings and Constance’s Social Security payments, the two bring in about $50,000 a year.

                                        TODAY.com’s Life Inc. blog interviewed Mark Dominas as part of a series of stories on what it’s like to live on around $50,000 a year, the nation’s median household income.

                                        What’s it like to live on around $50,000 a year?
                                        It takes a lot of planning. Fortunately for me, my mother has had many years of experience planning a family budget. Married for over 50 years and raising three children on a blue-collar budget, she is keenly aware of what it takes to “get by.”

                                        How has the weak economy affected your finances?
                                        As for my business (photographing virtual tours for the real estate market) I’ve seen my orders drop from nearly 400 in 2008 to what will be almost 100 by the end of 2011. Fortunately, my part-time job at UPS has given me modest increases over that same period, but increases in health care premiums and a couple of hospital stays have all but abolished those gains in income.

                                        As for my mother, she has not seen any increase in Social Security for a while so she continues to adjust accordingly as day-to-day expenses like groceries and gas continue to rise.

                                        Do you worry about money?
                                        Every day. My business doesn’t provide a consistent source of income so it’s hard to budget when I don’t know how many orders I will get from week to week.

                                         

                                        Nathan Weber for msnbc.com

                                        Mark Dominas, 46, prepares to make pictures of a house for a real estate listing.

                                        What are your biggest expenses?
                                        Our house.

                                        What do you splurge on?
                                        Home improvements. We always keep in mind the possibility that we may have to sell our house so we try to keep it in “marketable” condition.

                                        Is there anything you wish you could afford but can’t?
                                        I could use a new computer and my car is getting pretty old.

                                        Is it difficult to pay your bills every month?
                                        We sometimes have to pay the “roof over our head” bills like the mortgage and utilities before bills like cable or credit cards.

                                        What kind of debt do you have, and do you find it hard to pay off your loans or other debts?
                                        All the usual debts. I have some medical debt, which was unexpected and hard to budget for.

                                        Are you able to save money for the future?
                                        No, unless “the future” means within the next week or two.

                                        What are you most proud of in terms of your financial situation?
                                        I’m proud of my mother. She is far better at keeping us above water.

                                        Are there any financial mistakes you think you’ve made?
                                        Starting my business 10 years ago really trashed my credit. Even though I started to make significant improvements five years ago, the economy started to tank and now I’m falling back in to that same hole.

                                        Over the next few years, do you expect things to get better or worse for you financially?
                                        (It) really depends on the economy and the marketplace for my business. My part-time job at UPS will probably never become a full-time opportunity since I don’t have a college degree and I can’t afford one at this point. I’m 46 and going to school part-time would put me at retirement age by the time I received a degree. And who hires 55-year-old recent grads?

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                                        Click here to see previous stories in our "We are the median" series. We’re also sharing our thoughts — and yours — on Twitter (hashtag #median), Facebook and Google Plus. We invite you to comment on our posts — but keep it civil and on topic, please!

                                        Are you bringing home less money than before the recession began?

                                        Results with 191 short comments
                                        Total of 16,548 votes - click on the "Display Comments" bar below to sort comments

                                        48.1%
                                        Yes, my income is lower
                                        7,961 votes
                                        25.6%
                                        No, I make about the same
                                        4,243 votes
                                        26.3%
                                        No, I make more
                                        4,344 votes
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                                        No, I make more

                                        But that's only because I was in college in 2008...now I'm out of school and since I got a real degree (chemistry) I found a job right away

                                        • 4 votes
                                        #76
                                         - johnathondoe
                                         - 7:51 am EST on Tue Dec 13, 2011
                                        Yes, my income is lower

                                        My income was cut in half in 2009 when I was laid off. I put in 150 aps in 11 days and was employed withint 2 weeks.

                                        • 11 votes
                                        #77
                                         - DougCoe22201
                                         - 8:17 am EST on Tue Dec 13, 2011
                                        No, I make more

                                        The place where I work continues ot give raises each year.

                                        • 5 votes
                                        #78
                                         - wolfe-1579073
                                         - 8:39 am EST on Tue Dec 13, 2011
                                        No, I make more

                                        I had the brains to leave the teaching profession so I make more.

                                        • 7 votes
                                        #79
                                         - Liz-1105926
                                         - 8:55 am EST on Tue Dec 13, 2011
                                        No, I make more

                                        I lost my job at the beginning of the recession, and now I'm employed--a good thing!

                                        • 2 votes
                                        #80
                                         - Lee-1515484
                                         - 8:55 am EST on Tue Dec 13, 2011
                                        No, I make more

                                        Come write an article about our family of 4 living off 30,000 a year. 50,000 is living high on the hog!

                                        • 46 votes
                                        #81
                                         - Unregistered User
                                         - 8:56 am EST on Tue Dec 13, 2011
                                        Yes, my income is lower

                                        I have a college degree. My job to use that degree paid $32,000. My job before that, no degree needed, $35,000. Now, no job.

                                        • 6 votes
                                        #82
                                         - BuckeyeRose-4738334
                                         - 9:01 am EST on Tue Dec 13, 2011
                                        Yes, my income is lower

                                        Lower income less vacation and sick days. Paying more in all taxes too . How much you pay in all taxes? No way to know an is the real prob

                                        • 2 votes
                                        #83
                                         - bobyoung-1427396
                                         - 9:16 am EST on Tue Dec 13, 2011
                                        No, I make more

                                        I was able to take a certification to allow me to do more for my company, so I received a raise. Wasn't easy, but was worth it.

                                        • 3 votes
                                        #84
                                         - Monkeynucleosis
                                         - 9:18 am EST on Tue Dec 13, 2011
                                        Yes, my income is lower

                                        Jobs pay less now than they did a decade ago.

                                        • 9 votes
                                        #85
                                         - Phil Johnson
                                         - 9:26 am EST on Tue Dec 13, 2011
                                        Yes, my income is lower

                                        My income hasn't changed but costs certainly have, increased co-pays and the like put me in the lower income category.

                                        • 7 votes
                                        #86
                                         - leo44
                                         - 9:40 am EST on Tue Dec 13, 2011
                                        No, I make more

                                        I make more, but on contract jobs, which = NO benefits. After a yr of unemployment it is taking a long time to recover.

                                        • 1 vote
                                        #87
                                         - AnnaNanna
                                         - 9:41 am EST on Tue Dec 13, 2011
                                        No, I make more

                                        I'm one of the lucky ones. A senior single who had a better job just fall into my lap last year.

                                        • 3 votes
                                        #88
                                         - NevadanByChoice
                                         - 9:51 am EST on Tue Dec 13, 2011
                                        Yes, my income is lower

                                        I'm a public worker so am down about $200/mo. Husband's on UE, working PT. Can't save $$ for retirement at this rate.

                                        • 2 votes
                                        #89
                                         - deb-oh-rah
                                         - 9:59 am EST on Tue Dec 13, 2011
                                        No, I make about the same

                                        I had my salary reduced 2 years ago, and it was restored this year. No raises, though.

                                        • 1 vote
                                        #90
                                         - T Bourlon
                                         - 10:06 am EST on Tue Dec 13, 2011
                                        Yes, my income is lower

                                        we are surviving on less than $15K a year and that is with grown kids pitching in too.TRY THAT.

                                        • 25 votes
                                        #91
                                         - kitkat-966942
                                         - 10:06 am EST on Tue Dec 13, 2011
                                        No, I make more

                                        Went from being a contractor being ripped off by my contracting company, to a direct employee. Cutting out the "middle man" netted me big $

                                        • 6 votes
                                        #92
                                         - kevjohn-2741119
                                         - 10:13 am EST on Tue Dec 13, 2011
                                        No, I make about the same

                                        But the bills have gone up. Welcome to the USA- the first Democratic Oligarchy where we choose which rich **** takes more and gives less.

                                          #93
                                           - shawn1999
                                           - 10:23 am EST on Tue Dec 13, 2011
                                          Yes, my income is lower

                                          I am making about $15,000 less and had to move 100 miles away from my children to get the job I have now.

                                          • 4 votes
                                          #94
                                           - George-2463560
                                           - 10:25 am EST on Tue Dec 13, 2011
                                          Yes, my income is lower

                                          i was making 6 figures until i got let go. Now i make 25% less and it's tough but I get by.. support wife, 3 little kids, and 2 mortgages.

                                          • 3 votes
                                          #95
                                           - Joe Burmeister
                                           - 10:30 am EST on Tue Dec 13, 2011
                                          Yes, my income is lower

                                          $50,000 would be great to make a year. Single mom with 2 kids and I bring home less then 35,000. Took a cut in hours to keep my job.

                                          • 16 votes
                                          #96
                                           - MISSY4058
                                           - 10:32 am EST on Tue Dec 13, 2011
                                          No, I make about the same

                                          I make less than $40000 and support 2 kids, 3 dogs and a house. I would love to make $50000.

                                          • 18 votes
                                          #97
                                           - kathy-380547
                                           - 10:53 am EST on Tue Dec 13, 2011
                                          No, I make about the same

                                          Another story about people surviving on middle income?

                                          • 10 votes
                                          #98
                                           - Robert99-4545470
                                           - 11:04 am EST on Tue Dec 13, 2011
                                          Yes, my income is lower

                                          i make 20k on a good year- but have not indulged in the unnecessary excess that americans find so 'necessary'. less work = more play time!

                                          • 5 votes
                                          #99
                                           - beach-493386
                                           - 11:07 am EST on Tue Dec 13, 2011
                                          Yes, my income is lower

                                          My income is about 13K less than before. I start a 2nd job tonight

                                          • 2 votes
                                          #100
                                           - Jennifer-2752281
                                           - 11:10 am EST on Tue Dec 13, 2011
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                                          276 comments

                                          You can't be serious ! Try living on $30,000 or less. If I had $50,000, I would be in heaven.

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                                        • 12
                                          Dec
                                          2011
                                          7:07am, EST

                                          We are the median: Off to a good start

                                          John Brecher / msnbc.com

                                          Brian and Katie Delano are doing well on the median annual household income of about $50,000.

                                          By Allison Linn

                                          Katie Delano has seen what it’s like to struggle financially. She’s determined to avoid that.

                                          Delano, now 21, was a teenager when her father was out of work for nine months. Her mother’s salary as a teacher was only enough to cover the family of five’s health care costs. They ended up with credit card debt and other financial woes.

                                          “Those nine months put, like, a fear in me,” she said.

                                          Katie’s husband, Brian, 23, also saw his family's finances squeezed when he was a teenager and his parents took care of two of his cousins (and their own four children) for a couple of years because of a family emergency.

                                          TODAY.com’s Life Inc. blog interviewed the Delanos as part of a series of stories on what it’s like to live on around $50,000 a year, the nation’s median household income.

                                          The Delanos, who live in Tacoma, Wash., both consider themselves lucky to have stable, full-time jobs. She works as a barista for Nordstorm and he works for Home Depot.

                                          Katie is going to school full-time and Brian is working another 17 hours a week as a tutor in preparation for a career in teaching. The plan is for Brian to start school again once Katie graduates next year with a degree in law and justice.

                                          John Brecher / msnbc.com

                                          Brian and Katie Delano play with their dogs at their home in Tacoma, Wash.

                                          They are paying Katie’s $10,000-a-year tuition payments as they go and don’t plan to take on any student loan debt. Their only debt is for their vehicles, and they rent a house.

                                          Together since high school, they got married in 2010. They have two dogs and say their budget would be a lot tighter if they had kids.

                                          The couple uses a financial planning program her father created to set a budget and plan ahead for things like holidays and birthdays. They try to buy only what they need and use coupons whenever possible.

                                          They have a three-month emergency fund in case one of them loses a job and a general long-term financial plan.

                                          Katie says she finds it comforting to have a budget.

                                          “It sounds like we don’t have any fun, but we have budgeted fun,” she said. “It’s nice not to worry.”

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                                          How much did you learn from your parents about budgeting and finances?

                                           

                                          Results with 79 short comments
                                          Total of 9,429 votes - click on the "Display Comments" bar below to sort comments

                                          32%
                                          Everything
                                          3,020 votes
                                          27.3%
                                          A little
                                          2,578 votes
                                          40.6%
                                          Nothing at all
                                          3,831 votes
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                                          Everything

                                          All of it bad from my father. He spent money before it came in and always the big shot.

                                          • 2 votes
                                          #101
                                           - 66mustangconv
                                           - 8:11 am EST on Mon Dec 12, 2011
                                          Nothing at all

                                          My parents' answer to every request was "we can't afford it," instead of we COULD afford it, but we choose not to spend it. Big difference

                                          • 6 votes
                                          #102
                                           - Daisy in St. Louis
                                           - 8:30 am EST on Mon Dec 12, 2011
                                          Everything

                                          Budgeting was the norm when I was growing up. Both parents worked in the public school system--dad was a teacher and mom was in the office

                                          • 1 vote
                                          #103
                                           - jannah
                                           - 8:43 am EST on Mon Dec 12, 2011
                                          A little

                                          My father worked and mom did budget.Neither taught us about finances, which would have helped now.

                                          • 1 vote
                                          #104
                                           - Benjoh
                                           - 8:50 am EST on Mon Dec 12, 2011
                                          Nothing at all

                                          This is a trick question. My parents didn't budget, they lived paycheck to paycheck. I resolved to not have to do the same.

                                          • 3 votes
                                          #105
                                           - TampaCycler
                                           - 9:01 am EST on Mon Dec 12, 2011
                                          A little

                                          They never had any real money to budget, it was always check to check. So from that aspect I learned to save and have down well financially

                                          • 2 votes
                                          #106
                                           - George in NY-3715611
                                           - 9:20 am EST on Mon Dec 12, 2011
                                          Everything

                                          I learned that the cost of alcohol (both direct and indirect expense) definitely cuts into kids' upbringing and mental health.

                                          • 6 votes
                                          #107
                                           - flylowguy
                                           - 9:25 am EST on Mon Dec 12, 2011
                                          A little

                                          I learned that money was hard to come by, but not how to use it correctly, I learned that from the school of hard knocks.

                                            #108
                                             - MoneyManNY
                                             - 9:28 am EST on Mon Dec 12, 2011
                                            Nothing at all

                                            The only thing my parents taught me was money comes in, money goes out...it's hard to unlearn these bad habits, but im making progress

                                            • 1 vote
                                            #109
                                             - Jessica-1170252
                                             - 9:46 am EST on Mon Dec 12, 2011
                                            Everything

                                            Parents never straight up taught me things but I learned from being around them and seeing how they handled things

                                              #110
                                               - RAT1414
                                               - 9:49 am EST on Mon Dec 12, 2011
                                              Everything

                                              My parents were always in debt, I was determined to be debt free - despite pressures from banks to 'force' me into debt...

                                                #111
                                                 - Ethelouise
                                                 - 9:55 am EST on Mon Dec 12, 2011
                                                Everything

                                                I learned early to learn from others' mistakes. That way, there are no consequenses for you. My parents did it wrong but now I know better.

                                                  #112
                                                   - Crystal 5
                                                   - 10:05 am EST on Mon Dec 12, 2011
                                                  Everything

                                                  My parents are terrible with money and still refuse to learn from their mistakes. Waching them has taught me what NOT to do!

                                                    #113
                                                     - Dafthart
                                                     - 10:05 am EST on Mon Dec 12, 2011
                                                    A little

                                                    My parents talked a lot but never hashed out the details. I think somehow they expected me to figure it out.

                                                      #114
                                                       - bumpitybump
                                                       - 10:08 am EST on Mon Dec 12, 2011
                                                      Nothing at all

                                                      Everything I know about budgeting, I learned myself. I've watched my mom lose her house and have no retirement. I will not be doing the sam

                                                        #115
                                                         - MNCS
                                                         - 10:19 am EST on Mon Dec 12, 2011
                                                        Everything

                                                        My grandparents grew up during the Great Depression. My parents listened. So did I.

                                                        • 4 votes
                                                        #116
                                                         - peteMT
                                                         - 10:31 am EST on Mon Dec 12, 2011
                                                        Everything

                                                        I remember from a very young age my parents struggling with debt and finances. I saw what it did to them and our family and I wanted no par

                                                        • 1 vote
                                                        #117
                                                         - ashred13
                                                         - 10:36 am EST on Mon Dec 12, 2011
                                                        Everything

                                                        My parents were very careful with money and never lived above their means. I thank them for their restraint and good example.

                                                        • 3 votes
                                                        #118
                                                         - JBright9
                                                         - 10:39 am EST on Mon Dec 12, 2011
                                                        Nothing at all

                                                        My parents didn't tell me anything about budgeting. It's a hard lesson I now know and am passing this on to my kids.

                                                          #119
                                                           - bmc_saxman
                                                           - 10:52 am EST on Mon Dec 12, 2011
                                                          A little

                                                          two things killed my parents. dad like to live a bit outside his means, and divorce is costly. divorce led to bankruptcy for both parents

                                                            #120
                                                             - brian-397693
                                                             - 10:52 am EST on Mon Dec 12, 2011
                                                            Everything

                                                            Unfortunately, I didn't practice what I learned from my parents. My children probably won't either.

                                                              #121
                                                               - nmgrandma-1424115
                                                               - 10:53 am EST on Mon Dec 12, 2011
                                                              Everything

                                                              My mom worked at a bank so at a very young age, I learned how to balance a check book & the importance of savings.

                                                              • 2 votes
                                                              #122
                                                               - one4laughsagain
                                                               - 10:55 am EST on Mon Dec 12, 2011
                                                              Everything

                                                              My parents always taught us to live within our means and save as much as we can for a rainy day. So guess i consider myself lucky!!

                                                              • 3 votes
                                                              #123
                                                               - Caroline-4712072
                                                               - 11:06 am EST on Mon Dec 12, 2011
                                                              Everything

                                                              My mom was the only earner in the house, she worked 2-3 jobs to maintain this at times. ONLY necesssities, then fun.

                                                                #124
                                                                 - wowed by the force
                                                                 - 11:09 am EST on Mon Dec 12, 2011
                                                                Everything

                                                                My parents preached that credit cards were financial suicide, and to save for whatever you wanted.

                                                                • 1 vote
                                                                #125
                                                                 - gavnd-747053
                                                                 - 11:10 am EST on Mon Dec 12, 2011
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                                                                79 comments

                                                                Wow - imagine that - this young couple is making SACRIFICES for their future, and doing it well. Not bringing a baby into the world until they get their career goals and schooling started.

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                                                              • 9
                                                                Dec
                                                                2011
                                                                12:17pm, EST

                                                                The week's buzz: What you had to say about living on about $50,000

                                                                John Makely / msnbc.com

                                                                Ann Valencia looks on as movers unload a truck full of her belongings and load them into a storage unit she rented. Valencia has had to downsize and move in with a friend

                                                                By Allison Linn

                                                                This week, Life Inc. hit the road to profile people around the country who are living on around $50,000 a year, the nation’s median household income.

                                                                Wow, did you have a lot to say about it.

                                                                The first week of the series garnered tens of thousands of comments, hundreds of e-mails and numerous mentions on Facebook, Twitter and other social media.

                                                                More than 76,000 of you responded to our poll on whether you could live on around $50,000 a year.

                                                                Since that is the midpoint of household incomes in this country, it wasn’t surprising that you were about equally split on whether it would work or not.

                                                                 “Was making more than twice that a few years ago. Amazing how you can live on less after you lose a good job. We're making out OK,” one reader wrote.

                                                                But others said they couldn’t imagine making all their bills on that salary.

                                                                “I don't even think $100k is enough for a family of 4 to have health care, food, gas, college tuition. ... no way,” another reader wrote.

                                                                Many readers told us that they get by but occasionally struggle with expenses like gas, rent and health care costs. The rising cost of food, a major expense for one family we profiled this week, is squeezing many people's budgets.

                                                                "I grocery shop once a week and every time I go I see another regular part of my bill go up; eggs, meat, butter, milk," one reader wrote.

                                                                Our story about a military family with a long-term financial plan prompted a lot of discussion about how feasible it is to plan ahead financially. About half of you said that these days, you are just trying to get by day to day.

                                                                “I used to be such a planner, until every plan I made was thwarted by the Great Recession. It is hard to plan with no stability or hope!” one reader lamented.

                                                                Clearly, one’s ability to live on around $50,000 a year depends a lot on where you live and who you are supporting. This week, we wrote about a family of six in Utah who are getting by just fine, while a widow in pricier New York found that the nation’s median income isn’t enough to afford housing expenses.

                                                                Still, many said it’s not as simple as moving to a cheaper area to cut costs.

                                                                “Sure location is important. However, a cheaper cost of living also means lower wages. So, it is not usually an even trade-off,” one reader wrote.

                                                                Thanks to everyone who read this week’s stories, wrote to us, took our votes and shared our stories on social media.

                                                                Stay tuned next week as we wrap up our series next week with a few more profiles and a video piece on people living on $50,000 a year, in their own words.

                                                                28 comments

                                                                I am a single mother of a 13 yr. old boy and I make considerably less than 50K a year. I am truly grateful for the job that I have but it is difficult to survive in this economy. I just keep on praying and God always makes a way. I don't understand how someone who made $90k a year and their spouse  …

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                                                              • 9
                                                                Dec
                                                                2011
                                                                7:35am, EST

                                                                We are the median: Carefully budgeting for food, health care costs

                                                                Jim Seida / msnbc.com

                                                                Jeremy Wilson reads to his 14-month-old daughter Samantha while his wife Jamie folds diapers in their Anderson, Calif. home. The Wilsons feel squeezed on their $50,000-a-year income.

                                                                By Allison Linn

                                                                ANDERSON, Calif. - When Jamie Wilson learned she was pregnant with her daughter, Samantha, she fully expected that she would be a full-time working mom.

                                                                But when she tried going back to work, she said it was too hard to be away from her daughter.

                                                                “Once she was born, it changed my whole outlook on everything,” Jamie said.

                                                                Instead, Wilson, 31, opted to go back to her job with Shasta County Health and Human Services just one day a week. Her husband, Jeremy, works four 10-hour shifts as an analyst, also with Shasta County Health and Human Services, so he can watch Samantha on the day that Jamie works.

                                                                That’s left the couple living – with a very careful budget – on the nation’s median income of about $50,000 a year.

                                                                TODAY.com’s Life Inc. blog visited the Wilsons in Anderson, Calif., this week as part of our series of stories on what it’s like to live on around $50,000 a year.

                                                                The Wilsons say they have a general budget and are careful with money. They also are relieved to have family that can help them out in an emergency.

                                                                “We’re pretty lucky in (that) we’re able to cover our necessities, and if there’s something we couldn’t get we’re pretty fortunate that we can go to our families,” Jamie said.

                                                                Still, they live paycheck to paycheck and sometimes find themselves squeezed.

                                                                “There are times when we get down to a couple of days before the next paycheck when we think, ‘OK, let’s scour the cupboards,'” Jeremy said.

                                                                One big expense is food. Jeremy, 30, and the couple’s daughter, Samantha, both suffer from a number of food allergies. That severely limits the family’s diet – and bulks up their food tab.

                                                                The Wilsons estimate that a five-pound bag of gluten-free flour costs $14.43, versus $2.12 for a bag of wheat flour. A loaf of gluten-free bread costs double the equivalent wheat bread.

                                                                In all, the couple estimates that they spend around $600 a month on food.

                                                                To save money, the couple gets what they can at Walmart and online. But Jamie also occasionally makes trips to a nearby health food store, where she can pick up things like vanilla coconut milk, gluten-free bagels, brown rice pasta and cheese substitute.

                                                                They even plan those grocery trips carefully; it takes about $7 worth of gas to get there and back.

                                                                Health care costs are another huge expense. The Wilsons pay about $600 a month for health insurance, and they also are paying off bills for Jeremy’s appendectomy and Samantha’s birth. Even though they have insurance, they have to pay some portion of their bills out of pocket.

                                                                They have a small amount of credit card debt and some student loan debt. In addition, Jamie is taking on additional student loans to get her master’s degree in special education.

                                                                Jamie likes the idea of a career that will give her more time with her daughter, although she said the thought of more student loan debt sometimes weighs on her and her husband.

                                                                Still, Jamie says she thinks she has learned from the financial mistakes she made in her first marriage, which ended in divorce – and with a foreclosure.

                                                                The couple does little things to save money. They bought reusable cloth diapers instead of disposables, and Jamie nurses instead of using formula. They moved to Anderson, in northern California near Redding, in part because it was less expensive than other parts of California.

                                                                Her past foreclosure meant the couple could only get approved to buy a $125,000 house, instead of a $200,000 house they wanted to buy. But now, Jamie says she is relieved they bought the cheaper house because it’s easier for her to stay home with Samantha.

                                                                Still, the couple says they don’t know whether they can afford to have a second child, especially since Jamie will have to start student teaching in a couple of years and they’ll need child care.

                                                                Even a pet is out of the question, for now.

                                                                “We would love to have a dog, but we can’t afford one,” Jamie said.

                                                                More on this series:

                                                                Click here to see previous stories in our "We are the median" series. We’re also sharing our thoughts — and yours — on Twitter (hashtag #median), Facebook and Google Plus. We invite you to comment on our posts — but keep it civil and on topic, please!

                                                                Finally, please share your story of what it’s like to be living on about $50,000 a year by clicking here to send me e-mail. We’ll feature some of your stories in future Life Inc. posts. 

                                                                Is your budget being squeezed by rising food prices?

                                                                Results with 167 short comments
                                                                Total of 16,711 votes - click on the "Display Comments" bar below to sort comments

                                                                37.1%
                                                                Yes, I find it hard to buy the food I want and need
                                                                6,198 votes
                                                                39.4%
                                                                Yes, I can't splurge on extras anymore
                                                                6,589 votes
                                                                23.5%
                                                                No, I pretty much buy what I want
                                                                3,924 votes
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                                                                Yes, I can't splurge on extras anymore

                                                                We're in a similar situation. Just trying to cut out the crap and live smart.

                                                                • 10 votes
                                                                #126
                                                                 - johnson79
                                                                 - 7:43 am EST on Fri Dec 9, 2011
                                                                Yes, I can't splurge on extras anymore

                                                                we shop the sales at all 3 nearby grocery stores - and stock up on items when they are BOGO.

                                                                • 12 votes
                                                                #127
                                                                 - RW in Raleigh
                                                                 - 8:18 am EST on Fri Dec 9, 2011
                                                                No, I pretty much buy what I want

                                                                I can buy what I choose, but I also watch how much I am spending as well.

                                                                • 15 votes
                                                                #128
                                                                 - ItsAboutTime-3704531
                                                                 - 8:19 am EST on Fri Dec 9, 2011
                                                                Yes, I find it hard to buy the food I want and need

                                                                I haven't bought meat that wasn't on sale in years. And fruit and fresh veggies, they are getting awfully expensive.

                                                                • 7 votes
                                                                #129
                                                                 - differnet
                                                                 - 8:36 am EST on Fri Dec 9, 2011
                                                                Yes, I can't splurge on extras anymore

                                                                Wow! Isn't change you can believe in great!

                                                                • 22 votes
                                                                #130
                                                                 - canman-2697435
                                                                 - 9:03 am EST on Fri Dec 9, 2011
                                                                Yes, I can't splurge on extras anymore

                                                                I don't have government assistance. They are the only ones in the grocery stores splurging on extras.

                                                                • 26 votes
                                                                #131
                                                                 - THNKPLZ
                                                                 - 9:10 am EST on Fri Dec 9, 2011
                                                                Yes, I can't splurge on extras anymore

                                                                No extras - but what do our seniors live on ? Their income is a target these days. Why ?

                                                                • 8 votes
                                                                #132
                                                                 - Don V-907112
                                                                 - 9:12 am EST on Fri Dec 9, 2011
                                                                Yes, I can't splurge on extras anymore

                                                                Really????? Dec 7, 2012?

                                                                • 2 votes
                                                                #133
                                                                 - terry-2500590
                                                                 - 9:42 am EST on Fri Dec 9, 2011
                                                                Yes, I find it hard to buy the food I want and need

                                                                Wish I had $50,000. I'm retired with no retire, I get $975/mo SS, meds & ins. $540/mo. Leaves $435/mo for utilites,food,clothes,repairs et

                                                                • 20 votes
                                                                #134
                                                                 - JG-895068
                                                                 - 9:44 am EST on Fri Dec 9, 2011
                                                                Yes, I find it hard to buy the food I want and need

                                                                I can only watch the people with food stamps ,stuff their buggies with piles and piles of meat. Doesnt seem right

                                                                • 29 votes
                                                                #135
                                                                 - joe-904290
                                                                 - 10:04 am EST on Fri Dec 9, 2011
                                                                Yes, I can't splurge on extras anymore

                                                                What!!! My wife and I survive on 25k I would be living high on the hog with 50k

                                                                • 26 votes
                                                                #136
                                                                 - james-3199489
                                                                 - 10:06 am EST on Fri Dec 9, 2011
                                                                No, I pretty much buy what I want

                                                                Lived on far less rearing 5 boys &nowthey're grown, tho we don't make much more, we live comfortably. Ea boy moving out was like a payraise

                                                                • 15 votes
                                                                #137
                                                                 - tllup
                                                                 - 10:10 am EST on Fri Dec 9, 2011
                                                                Yes, I find it hard to buy the food I want and need

                                                                I grocery shop once a week and every time i go I see another regular part of my bill go up; eggs, meat, butter, milk.

                                                                • 10 votes
                                                                #138
                                                                 - SusieQ-777
                                                                 - 10:16 am EST on Fri Dec 9, 2011
                                                                Yes, I can't splurge on extras anymore

                                                                There are people living on a hell of a lot LESS than $50,000. Quit having so many kid's.

                                                                • 23 votes
                                                                #139
                                                                 - Tarzan7
                                                                 - 10:17 am EST on Fri Dec 9, 2011
                                                                Yes, I find it hard to buy the food I want and need

                                                                my family survives on less than 25k per year, these people should be thankful they have it so well...

                                                                • 12 votes
                                                                #140
                                                                 - gutterpin
                                                                 - 10:17 am EST on Fri Dec 9, 2011
                                                                Yes, I find it hard to buy the food I want and need

                                                                Food prices have gotten out of hand. Prices rise and quantities drop, meaning we paying more for less. Americans first, then everyone else!

                                                                • 11 votes
                                                                #141
                                                                 - Constitutional Patriot
                                                                 - 10:22 am EST on Fri Dec 9, 2011
                                                                Yes, I find it hard to buy the food I want and need

                                                                $50,000??? Try $35,000 with a family of 4 and a mortgage payment. Can't even get government assistance. Hope & Change??, eff off OBAMA

                                                                • 23 votes
                                                                #142
                                                                 - MR2KUHL
                                                                 - 10:23 am EST on Fri Dec 9, 2011
                                                                No, I pretty much buy what I want

                                                                I hardly ever buy anything that isn't on sale or I don't have a coupon for....

                                                                • 4 votes
                                                                #143
                                                                 - NONJUDGEMENTAL-3849619
                                                                 - 10:26 am EST on Fri Dec 9, 2011
                                                                Yes, I can't splurge on extras anymore

                                                                Geez, What is this something new? My grandmother raised two children on little more than three hundred a month S.S.

                                                                • 6 votes
                                                                #144
                                                                 - Robert Brown-3869856
                                                                 - 10:28 am EST on Fri Dec 9, 2011
                                                                Yes, I can't splurge on extras anymore

                                                                50K is a lot of money. Why do they act like they need food stamps? Expectations too high or doing something wrong.

                                                                • 18 votes
                                                                #145
                                                                 - Jane Justice
                                                                 - 10:31 am EST on Fri Dec 9, 2011
                                                                Yes, I can't splurge on extras anymore

                                                                Stop the printing presses please. More dollars chasing the same amount of products. Inflation.

                                                                • 7 votes
                                                                #146
                                                                 - Walter-3377185
                                                                 - 10:32 am EST on Fri Dec 9, 2011
                                                                Yes, I find it hard to buy the food I want and need

                                                                I live on 30,000 with 3 kids. They should be fine. Maybe she should go to work full time instead of crying about how she can't afford stuff

                                                                • 22 votes
                                                                #147
                                                                 - cme913
                                                                 - 10:33 am EST on Fri Dec 9, 2011
                                                                No, I pretty much buy what I want

                                                                I know what I need and cut down on snack foods and soda

                                                                • 6 votes
                                                                #148
                                                                 - Monkeynucleosis
                                                                 - 10:42 am EST on Fri Dec 9, 2011
                                                                Yes, I find it hard to buy the food I want and need

                                                                I would love to have $50K coming in! Try living on less than $13K/year.

                                                                • 20 votes
                                                                #149
                                                                 - Mr Buckie
                                                                 - 10:43 am EST on Fri Dec 9, 2011
                                                                Yes, I find it hard to buy the food I want and need

                                                                have moved to using most "store brands" to save a bit....read coupon flyers daily...make my grocery list from the sales ads...

                                                                  #150
                                                                   - polly-4710973
                                                                   - 10:45 am EST on Fri Dec 9, 2011
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                                                                  466 comments

                                                                  and just like the distorted unemployment numbers....the inflation index does not include groceries and fuel.

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                                                                  Dec
                                                                  2011
                                                                  7:19am, EST

                                                                  We are the median: Four kids on $50,000 'isn't that difficult'

                                                                  By Allison Linn

                                                                  Devin Datus, 39, and his wife, Michelle, 36, are raising four kids, ages 9 to 18, in Utah on his military salary. His wife is a full-time student and stay-at-home mom. 

                                                                  TODAY.com's Life Inc. blog asked the couple about their financial situation as part of a series of stories looking at what it’s like to live on the nation’s median income of about $50,000 a year. Here is their response:

                                                                  What’s it like to live on around $50,000 a year?
                                                                  It isn’t that difficult. You just have to spend your money wisely and not overextend yourself. The problems start if you don’t take the time to keep yourself within your means. We have all we need to survive (home, utilities, food, etc.), and the rest of what we want we buy when we can afford it. …

                                                                  Obviously, we will never be able to buy million-dollar homes or high-dollar sports cars, but that is fine. I have been able to provide quite well for my family, give them a lot of what they want and also send my oldest to college.

                                                                  How has the weak economy affected your finances?
                                                                  Not too terribly. The worst part really has been the fuel prices. But in a lot of aspects, the weak economy has been a benefit. We (recently bought a house) with an interest rate that allowed us to purchase more house than we initially planned on.

                                                                  Also, I have offset the fuel by driving a compact car and staying away from the SUV or truck route that many have taken. (And) we have been able to watch local classified ads for some of the niceties that we have wanted that people overspent on and now have to sell to just get by. It seems cold and heartless, but those of us who planned and did the right thing are now able to live better.

                                                                  Do you worry about money?
                                                                  Sometimes. I don’t worry about it too much, though. As long as I am able to put a roof over our heads, provide food and clothing, and keep us warm, well, anything beyond that is just good.

                                                                  What do you splurge on?
                                                                  Games (both tabletop and Xbox/Wii), radio-controlled cars, going out to eat, cigars and things my children want. Most of the time we all like the same games and food, so we do a lot of that as a family.

                                                                  Is there anything you wish you could afford but can’t?
                                                                  There is a long list: Cars that I have dreamed about since I was 12, taking family vacations outside the country and things like that. It doesn’t mean I am unhappy, but no matter how much money you make, there is always something more you will dream about and not be able to get.

                                                                  Is it difficult to pay your bills every month?
                                                                  Not at all.

                                                                  What kind of debt do you have, and do you find it hard to pay off your loans or other debts?
                                                                  Mortgages, two credit cards, and a home equity line of credit. But the overall balance is not so high that there is no light at the end of the tunnel.

                                                                  Are you able to save money for the future?
                                                                  Yes, cut out a couple trips to fast food per pay period, maybe buy something generic, and so on. It adds up and allows for savings to be slowly built.

                                                                  What are you most proud of in terms of your financial situation?
                                                                  Being able to buy a second house. We are upgrading from what we are in and are going to rent out the one we have lived in for the last decade.

                                                                  Are there any financial mistakes you think you’ve made?
                                                                  Nobody is perfect. Over the years mistakes have been made with credit cards, not saving as much as we could, and so on. But we just learn from our mistakes and don’t make them again.

                                                                  Will the upcoming holidays add to your financial burdens?
                                                                  No, yet again - buy within your means. Also, we do our holiday shopping throughout the year so it won’t all come at one time. 

                                                                  More on this series:
                                                                  Click here to see previous stories in our "We are the median" series. We’re also sharing our thoughts — and yours — on Twitter (hashtag #median), Facebook and Google Plus. We invite you to comment on our posts — but keep it civil and on topic, please!

                                                                  Finally, please share your story of what it’s like to be living on about $50,000 a year by clicking here to send me e-mail. We’ll feature some of your stories in future Life Inc. posts. 

                                                                  What financial decision are you most proud of?

                                                                   

                                                                  Results with 30 short comments
                                                                  Total of 5,937 votes - click on the "Display Comments" bar below to sort comments

                                                                  7%
                                                                  Saving up to buy a house
                                                                  416 votes
                                                                  15.8%
                                                                  Saving for retirement
                                                                  938 votes
                                                                  3.5%
                                                                  Savings for my kids' education
                                                                  209 votes
                                                                  28.9%
                                                                  Living within my means
                                                                  1,713 votes
                                                                  25.8%
                                                                  Avoiding credit card debt
                                                                  1,531 votes
                                                                  19%
                                                                  Sadly, I have nothing to be proud of when it comes to my finances
                                                                  1,130 votes
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                                                                  Living within my means

                                                                  With my good looks, I don't need any fancy cars to compensate.

                                                                  • 5 votes
                                                                  #151
                                                                   - winker-1553407
                                                                   - 10:58 am EST on Fri Dec 9, 2011
                                                                  Living within my means

                                                                  I miss eating out because I don't like to cook. I do like watching the savings go up, and being able to help the kids occasionally

                                                                    #152
                                                                     - Annie-716754
                                                                     - 11:15 am EST on Fri Dec 9, 2011
                                                                    Sadly, I have nothing to be proud of when it comes to my finances

                                                                    Having what you need without what you want to enjoy, is just living as a slave.

                                                                    • 2 votes
                                                                    #153
                                                                     - Robert-2056296
                                                                     - 11:21 am EST on Fri Dec 9, 2011
                                                                    Living within my means

                                                                    Unfortunately in the DC area it is VERY hard to live on 50K per year

                                                                    • 2 votes
                                                                    #154
                                                                     - Phillynona
                                                                     - 12:05 pm EST on Fri Dec 9, 2011
                                                                    Living within my means

                                                                    Bravo to this couple. Finally someone not moaning about how they mis-spend their $50k income.

                                                                    • 6 votes
                                                                    #155
                                                                     - Woz2000
                                                                     - 1:20 pm EST on Fri Dec 9, 2011
                                                                    Living within my means

                                                                    I recommend the book "The Millionaire Next Door." Inspiring and helpful. Live within means and stay out of the mall.

                                                                    • 3 votes
                                                                    #156
                                                                     - BBonnet
                                                                     - 1:59 pm EST on Fri Dec 9, 2011
                                                                    Living within my means

                                                                    Need to see real facts and numbers in this article, including taxes, living expenses, and military perks. Otherwise, its just hot air.

                                                                    • 12 votes
                                                                    #157
                                                                     - AgentG-280638
                                                                     - 2:40 pm EST on Fri Dec 9, 2011
                                                                    Living within my means

                                                                    Living within your means is hard when you are a family of five with an income less than 30,000 a year. Both work FT, but food & gas is pric

                                                                    • 1 vote
                                                                    #158
                                                                     - crystalinamp
                                                                     - 3:04 pm EST on Fri Dec 9, 2011
                                                                    Sadly, I have nothing to be proud of when it comes to my finances

                                                                    home is in foreclosure, utilities threatening,kid in college, and can't even get on at mcdonalds

                                                                      #159
                                                                       - barely hangin
                                                                       - 3:55 pm EST on Fri Dec 9, 2011
                                                                      Saving up to buy a house

                                                                      UT with 2 kids and 50k No eating out, movies, vacations, etc. Our $ goes for health/dental and lessons for kids - we break even each month.

                                                                      • 2 votes
                                                                      #160
                                                                       - Chris-1966
                                                                       - 4:29 pm EST on Fri Dec 9, 2011
                                                                      Living within my means

                                                                      We have always lived debt-free and saved $. It paid off when my husband and I were laid off. It's still tough, but it could have been worse

                                                                        #161
                                                                         - Does This Post Make Me Look Fat?
                                                                         - 5:22 pm EST on Fri Dec 9, 2011
                                                                        Living within my means

                                                                        Not paying for a house that is beyond my salary. 3 of 4 cars payed for - nothing new, used but decent.

                                                                          #162
                                                                           - BS Detector101
                                                                           - 5:24 pm EST on Fri Dec 9, 2011
                                                                          Avoiding credit card debt

                                                                          Good advise from a wise family. Hopefully many Americans will learn to live in the same manner.

                                                                          • 1 vote
                                                                          #163
                                                                           - Orange County Resident
                                                                           - 5:36 pm EST on Fri Dec 9, 2011
                                                                          Living within my means

                                                                          no amount of money will ever be enough if you don't learn to live within your means.

                                                                          • 2 votes
                                                                          #164
                                                                           - su-314019
                                                                           - 6:09 pm EST on Fri Dec 9, 2011
                                                                          Saving for retirement

                                                                          Plus put all 4 kids through college. Hopefully we'll be able to retire in 2-4 years.

                                                                            #165
                                                                             - Maria F
                                                                             - 10:12 pm EST on Fri Dec 9, 2011
                                                                            Saving for retirement

                                                                            I'm horrible about saving money. I've been living paycheck to paycheck my whole life. If it weren't for $ going into a 401K I'd have noth

                                                                              #166
                                                                               - Doggiedude
                                                                               - 1:46 am EST on Sat Dec 10, 2011
                                                                              Living within my means

                                                                              Living within your means should be the goal of every American....and our government as well!

                                                                                #167
                                                                                 - kaara
                                                                                 - 7:30 am EST on Sat Dec 10, 2011
                                                                                Living within my means

                                                                                6 kids, 24 grandkids, 21 greats. Never made over 45k yr. Recently retired, own everthing outright. I get by. No big screen though.

                                                                                • 1 vote
                                                                                #168
                                                                                 - Old Paul
                                                                                 - 9:06 am EST on Sat Dec 10, 2011
                                                                                Saving for retirement

                                                                                Not exactly, but I did stick it out in the military when I really wanted to quit. The benefits of military retirement made it worth while.

                                                                                  #169
                                                                                   - Aching Mind
                                                                                   - 10:56 am EST on Sat Dec 10, 2011
                                                                                  Sadly, I have nothing to be proud of when it comes to my finances

                                                                                  I'd like to know what kind of housing stipend this military family gets, their low-interest VA mortgage and their health insurance.

                                                                                  • 3 votes
                                                                                  #170
                                                                                   - EWhite1
                                                                                   - 12:09 pm EST on Sat Dec 10, 2011
                                                                                  Saving for retirement

                                                                                  A military family with a housing allowance, tax free groceries at the PX, and virtually no cost healthcare is not truly living on $50K.

                                                                                  • 7 votes
                                                                                  #171
                                                                                   - Ziggle
                                                                                   - 1:40 pm EST on Sat Dec 10, 2011
                                                                                  Living within my means

                                                                                  Made minimum wage when I was 22, lived within my means as I aged and at 59 my house is paid for, I have a 401K and my kids are in college.

                                                                                    #172
                                                                                     - JustOlJoe
                                                                                     - 3:24 pm EST on Sat Dec 10, 2011
                                                                                    Avoiding credit card debt

                                                                                    One must keep in mind that in the military, an individual receinve housing benefits on top of their salary. $50k there is not the same.

                                                                                    • 3 votes
                                                                                    #173
                                                                                     - bencas
                                                                                     - 3:36 pm EST on Sat Dec 10, 2011
                                                                                    Saving for retirement

                                                                                    I did this by avoiding credit card debt.

                                                                                      #174
                                                                                       - PHL Gal
                                                                                       - 4:57 pm EST on Sat Dec 10, 2011
                                                                                      Saving for retirement

                                                                                      Just because you get money, doesn't mean you have to spend it -- you may need it later.

                                                                                        #175
                                                                                         - WhatsLegal
                                                                                         - 5:55 pm EST on Sat Dec 10, 2011
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                                                                                        HOLD ON HERE! This family is NOT living on $50k. The father was asked about his debt and he deflected, didn't give a number but said this, "Mortgages, two credit cards, and a home equity line of credit." So at least 2 mortgages, 2 credit cards plus the equivalent of another mortgage? Why didn't the  …

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                                                                                        We are the median: A standard life, with debt

                                                                                        Eric Kayne / for msnbc.com

                                                                                        Nathan Palmer, left, and ring-tailed lemur, Grover, with partner Brett Jones, holding African spur thigh tortoise, Shelly, at their home in Victoria, Texas.

                                                                                        By Allison Linn

                                                                                        Brett Jones, 37, and Nathan Palmer, 23, describe their life in Victoria, Texas, as “pretty standard.” The couple enjoy TV, movies, friends, video games and volunteering in their community. And yet Jones, who works in social services, and Palmer, a zookeeper, say it’s a life that doesn’t allow for many splurges or financial wiggle room. 

                                                                                        TODAY.com's Life Inc. blog asked the couple about their financial situation as part of a series of stories looking at what it’s like to live on the nation’s median income of about $50,000 a year. Here is their response:

                                                                                        What’s it like to live on around $50,000 a year?
                                                                                        It's not poverty. We don't miss meals and we make MOST of our bills. However, we live paycheck to paycheck and we carry debt. There are times we do go negative in the account, which increases our debt. It's hard, but not burdensome. Really it's more frustrating than anything.

                                                                                        How has the weak economy affected your finances?
                                                                                        We've had to cut back on some nonessential things. Some of our entertainment budget (i.e. online games, streaming video, cable services) has had to be dialed back so that we can continue to make ends meet. Things that we could afford previously are now becoming luxuries.

                                                                                        Do you worry about money?
                                                                                        Yes.

                                                                                        What are your biggest expenses?
                                                                                        Car payment and mortgage.

                                                                                        What do you splurge on?
                                                                                        Food. It'd be nice to say we splurge on vacations or travel, but we can't afford it. Nice big meals out in restaurants are what we consider 'splurging.'

                                                                                        Is there anything you wish you could afford but can’t?
                                                                                        Yes. We would like to upgrade the house and yard. We have ideas for a small business. And of course we'd like some cool stuff like iPads and the like as well. But they are just too expensive.

                                                                                        Is it difficult to pay your bills every month?
                                                                                        Difficult, yes, but not impossible. We do what we have to in order to get the essentials paid and to try to pay down the debt. Sometimes we have Ramen meals to conserve funds or we cut out other optional fun stuff during the week.

                                                                                        Eric Kayne / for msnbc.com

                                                                                        Nathan Palmer checks on white-tailed deer at the Texas Zoo where he is a zookeeper.

                                                                                        What kind of debt do you have, and do you find it hard to pay off your loans or other debts?
                                                                                        We carry a line of credit at the bank for when we overdraft our account, which happens about three times a year. That is only about $800 of debt at present. However, we also have a credit card that we've been paying on for about seven years. It's down to about $4,000. We no longer use it.

                                                                                        Are you able to save money for the future?
                                                                                        Barely and only recently. My agency began offering match funds for a 401(k) this year and I decided it was time to get in on that. I have no other savings to speak of.

                                                                                        What are you most proud of in terms of your financial situation?
                                                                                        We make it work. It never fails that somehow we end up pulling things out of the fire at the last minute by doing what must be done or sacrificing a small luxury in order to keep things running.

                                                                                        Are there any financial mistakes you think you’ve made?
                                                                                        Yes. Getting into debt was the worst thing I could have done in terms of financing. That debt has lingered over my head for entirely too long and it's quite frustrating to watch it diminish by a drip at a time.

                                                                                        Will the upcoming holidays add to your financial burdens?
                                                                                        Yes. They always do. What ends up happening is that the gifting just gets less and less impressive. I enjoy buying special gifts for my loved ones, but the huge hit on the holidays means that it just isn't as possible as it used to be. I've even spoken to the family about adjusting how we give gifts to ease the burden. That's sad.

                                                                                        More on this series:
                                                                                        Click here to see previous stories in our "We are the median" series. We’re also sharing our thoughts — and yours — on Twitter (hashtag #median), Facebook and Google Plus. We invite you to comment on our posts — but keep it civil and on topic, please!

                                                                                        Finally, please share your story of what it’s like to be living on about $50,000 a year by clicking here to send me e-mail. We’ll feature some of your stories in future Life Inc. posts. 

                                                                                        What extras have you cut back on to make ends meet?

                                                                                         

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                                                                                        Total of 7,372 votes

                                                                                        13.1%
                                                                                        Vacations
                                                                                        964 votes
                                                                                        9.3%
                                                                                        Restaurant meals
                                                                                        683 votes
                                                                                        3%
                                                                                        Movies, cable, video games
                                                                                        220 votes
                                                                                        64.7%
                                                                                        All of the above
                                                                                        4,771 votes
                                                                                        10%
                                                                                        None of the above
                                                                                        734 votes

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                                                                                        I'm really getting irritated reading these comments. No one is implying that the people in this series are poor. By practically demanding that they give up their luxuries, YOU are the ones that are implying that they are poor. This series is clearly labeled "median," as in "middle." Not poor.

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